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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Americans have all the luck Reply with quote

Why is it that most American television programmes from the 1960s and 1970s survive while the majority of British programmes from the same era have been erased? Doctor Who is actually quite lucky because all of Jon Pertwee's and Tom Baker's episodes survive in some form, while there are Dixon of Dock Green episodes from as late as 1975 that no longer exist. The fact that Star Trek still exists in it's entirety while contemporary Patrick Troughton episodes of Doctor Who will never been seen again makes me want to go back to the 1970s and toast marshmellows over the master prints of a couple of dozen Star Trek episodes.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, im not an expert on american archive policy, but I think the Americans have always held their cultural heritage in generaly higher regard. I heard an American archaeologist say once that it was in part to be atributed to the relatively short history of the American settlers/ immigrants.

Also America is very, very large compared to the UK, so I would imagine a lot more 35 mm prints of trek were made rather than bycycling for years and years; remember that America has always had much more of a rerun culture than the UK, where in the 60s reruns were very much the exception to the rule.

Im pretty greatful that american archiving policy was in place so long ago, I like watching the Adams family, the munster, I dream of jeanie, bewitched, trek, 60s batman. Im very glad its all there. Its just a pity the british television industry was so utterly lacking in vision.

Also the Americans preserved on 35mm film the only existing clip of pre WWII BBC as broadcast. We didnt even manage to preserve one second of it for posterity. Sheesh!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDarkLord wrote:
You can't junk film, so it makes sense just to hold onto it.


Wanna bet? Sad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_DuMont_Television_Network_broadcasts
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moderator General wrote:
TheDarkLord wrote:
You can't junk film, so it makes sense just to hold onto it.


Wanna bet? Sad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_DuMont_Television_Network_broadcasts


Oof! thats pretty grim. I know Andy Milligan's distributor junked most of his film prints to recover the silver, most of these movies (his 60s output) remain missing to this day, greedy tosser. Some people might say its a good thing that theres less Milligan in the world, but I enjoy his work in a certain weird masochistic way......
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qwerty123 wrote:

Oof! thats pretty grim. I know Andy Milligan's distributor junked most of his film prints to recover the silver, most of these movies (his 60s output) remain missing to this day, greedy tosser. Some people might say its a good thing that theres less Milligan in the world, but I enjoy his work in a certain weird masochistic way......


It gets worse. Click this link and scroll half-way down to "Winchell-Mahoney Time". A US company destroyed the tapes of a successful, long-running 60s series to spite the guy who starred in it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Winchell#Winchell-Mahoney_Time
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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qwerty123 wrote:

Oof! thats pretty grim. I know Andy Milligan's distributor junked most of his film prints to recover the silver, most of these movies (his 60s output) remain missing to this day, greedy tosser. Some people might say its a good thing that theres less Milligan in the world, but I enjoy his work in a certain weird masochistic way......


It gets worse. Click this link and scroll half-way down to "Winchell-Mahoney Time". A US company destroyed the tapes of a successful, long-running 60s series to spite the guy who starred in it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Winchell


Yes, America certainly isnt without sin when it comes to retaining prints etc, but I still say that on average, they have done a lot better than the UK television stations. It is a pity about the 1940s material and early 1950s as this era is generaly poorly represented.
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