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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Attack of the Cybermen DVD Reply with quote

Just arrived from Play this morning. The preview in DWM suggests an interesting documentary with the controversy of authorship of this story discussed.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine's been posted but hasn't arrived yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad this has been released, a very under-rated classic, derided only because of Levines name-association with the story.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm glad this has been released, a very under-rated classic, derided only because of Levines name-association with the story.


I agree. This story, like much of season 22, is underrated and underappreciated.

Friday's Nottingham Evening Post contained a review of Attack which began with the now well-rehearsed and tired media refrain: "If anyone tells you that old Doctor Who is better than the new series, show them this DVD." The author then complains about the "gratuitous violence", the special effects, and Colin's costume Rolling Eyes

I looked up the author in the NEP's archives and he's a fan of The Beatles, The Smiths, Oasis, and Weller. QED, really.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
I'm glad this has been released, a very under-rated classic, derided only because of Levines name-association with the story.
Nothing much new in the documentary, Saward insisting Levine's contribution was minor and undeserving of a writer's credit. I have to say, if his side of events is true it's a fair assertion.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I looked up the author in the NEP's archives and he's a fan of The Beatles, The Smiiths, Oasis, and Weller. QED, really.

Says it all really. Though I'm partial to a bit of Oasis from time to time.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine's just plopped through the letter-box.

Review later.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RobFilth wrote:
I'm glad this has been released, a very under-rated classic, derided only because of Levines name-association with the story.
Nothing much new in the documentary, Saward insisting Levine's contribution was minor and undeserving of a writer's credit. I have to say, if his side of events is true it's a fair assertion.

Seems pretty obvious that Levines contribution towards the script of "Attack" was merely that of pointing out various continuity strands as a continuity adviser, much like it was with "Warriors Of The Deep", he evidently didn't write any of the dialogue of the script.

Then again I guess Rani would have preferred Levine to have had nothing to do with the show and the Silurians and Sea Devils to have had full knowledge of the Time Lords, Gallifrey and the TARDIS in the original script of "Warriors Of The Deep" despite having never seen nor heard of either of them during previous stories.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Mistress Rani wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
I'm glad this has been released, a very under-rated classic, derided only because of Levines name-association with the story.
Nothing much new in the documentary, Saward insisting Levine's contribution was minor and undeserving of a writer's credit. I have to say, if his side of events is true it's a fair assertion.

Seems pretty obvious that Levines contribution towards the script of "Attack" was merely that of pointing out various continuity strands as a continuity adviser, much like it was with "Warriors Of The Deep", he evidently didn't write any of the dialogue of the script.

Then again I guess Rani would have preferred Levine to have had nothing to do with the show and the Silurians and Sea Devils to have had full knowledge of the Time Lords, Gallifrey and the TARDIS in the original script of "Warriors Of The Deep" despite having never seen nor heard of either of them during previous stories.


Exactly. There's no story here. Levine provided a story outline and continuity points, and Saward wrote the script. It seems like another pointless attempt to have a go at Levine. In any case, Levine and Saward are friends. I've had a curry with them both and the Attack issue is a source of amusement between them.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night, I watched the extras and episode one with commentary with Colin, Nicola, and Terry Molloy. Good to see dear Terry getting some Who-related work after his recent appalling treatment, although I'm sure it wasn't him who stole Nicola's underwear. What struck me most about this is how great the surface of Telos looks; yes it's the Gerrard's Cross quarry again, but the way the film is treated to give a dusty, washed-out grey feel is wonderful. Director Matthew Robinson can be justly proud. And I think Colin's costume looks good in this, unlike poor Nicola who appears to have a couple of cashew nuts stuffed in her lyotard.

I'm surprised Rani claims there is nothing new in the documentary. I thought the stuff on the development of the Cybermen's design was fascinating. I had no idea that the original design was to feature transparent limbs with visible electronics but was deemed too expensive. The original drawing looks beautiful. I also had no idea that the plan was to end season 5 with a Dalek/Cybermen story but sadly Terry Nation wouldn't give permission. A shame, then, that this only came to pass 38 years later in the dreadful Doomsday, where the show's most famous foes were reduced to engaging in a poorly-written bitch fight.

Sarah Berger is a very handsome woman. I wonder what she looked like in 1985?

Surely I can't be the only one to find the cybernetics expert from Reading University to be slightly sinister.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
Last night, I watched the extras and episode one with commentary with Colin, Nicola, and Terry Molloy. Good to see dear Terry getting some Who-related work after his recent appalling treatment,
I think it has been established that Molloy has not been barred from BF but the BBC are not allowing Davros to be used. Molloy is free to play other characters with BF.

I agree though that the planet surface is well realised and avoids the gravel quarry look very well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comment by the cast that they would like to make some stories again with today's money and production values. Their remarks suggest that the SFX do detract from the story which is interesting though this story hasn't dated too badly IMO.
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Interesting comment by the cast that they would like to make some stories again with today's money and production values. Their remarks suggest that the SFX do detract from the story which is interesting though this story hasn't dated too badly IMO.


I noticed that remark too. I imagine they mean in terms of proportion. It's mentioned on the Revelation DVD commentary that they had a budget of £10,000 per episode for season 22 - probably even less for Timelash. I dread to think what Davies and his cronies would come up with if they had a similar budget to work with.

In places, Attack does look cheap. For example, although the design of the Cybermen is wonderful, the shoddiness of the materials and construction is apparent on a number of occasions.
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Mistress Rani wrote:
Interesting comment by the cast that they would like to make some stories again with today's money and production values. Their remarks suggest that the SFX do detract from the story which is interesting though this story hasn't dated too badly IMO.


I noticed that remark too. I imagine they mean in terms of proportion. It's mentioned on the Revelation DVD commentary that they had a budget of £10,000 per episode for season 22 - probably even less for Timelash. I dread to think what Davies and his cronies would come up with if they had a similar budget to work with.

In places, Attack does look cheap. For example, although the design of the Cybermen is wonderful, the shoddiness of the materials and construction is apparent on a number of occasions.
It's the location work that shines in this story and I think hides the shortcomings you mention.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's the location work that shines in this story and I think hides the shortcomings you mention.

It's not just the location work, it's the good directing and action scenes which make "Attack" highly watchable.

The futile desperation of Stratton and Bates and their subsequent grim fates is well played also.

The only things which perhaps don't work so well in the story is the costumes of the Cryons(which look too much like they have papier mache heads), the insufficiently explained Lyttons policemen(for viewers who didn't see "Resurrection of the Daleks") and the awful cliffhanger to episode 1 which is very badly acted and directed.
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