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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back, Rob and Rani. We missed you. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Tash wrote:
The phrase was actually "Your appearance has changed before, it will change again", leaving how many regenerations the Doctor had gone through ambiguous, it could have been one, it could have been half a dozen. The Second Doctor was effectively executed by the Time Lords, and if Time Lords had unlimited regenerations the punishment wouldn't mean anything.

True, they still name Hartnell as being "The earliest one" in "The Three Doctors" however.

Perhaps these mysterious incarnations of Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Dicks etc which Renegade favours all took place between Troughton and Pertwee whilst he was exiled on earth and Pertwee had just regenerated from Hinchcliffe when he first see him fall out of the TARDIS in "Spearhead"??

Seems strange that the Time Lords didn't enlist any of their help in defeating Omega though doesn't it?

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Fair enough, you don't know enough about Dr Who to discuss it seriously. You ignore what Hinchcliffe and Holmes intended. You have some imaginary idea that some regeneration limit makes the show more tense, like kids would have been sitting thinking "Oh my God, if Tom Bakers Doctor dies he'll have one less regeneration available, that is so much more scary because the show is bound to be going on 30 years from now, and they might reach the end at some point".

Laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegade wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Tash wrote:
The phrase was actually "Your appearance has changed before, it will change again", leaving how many regenerations the Doctor had gone through ambiguous, it could have been one, it could have been half a dozen. The Second Doctor was effectively executed by the Time Lords, and if Time Lords had unlimited regenerations the punishment wouldn't mean anything.

True, they still name Hartnell as being "The earliest one" in "The Three Doctors" however.

Perhaps these mysterious incarnations of Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Dicks etc which Renegade favours all took place between Troughton and Pertwee whilst he was exiled on earth and Pertwee had just regenerated from Hinchcliffe when he first see him fall out of the TARDIS in "Spearhead"??

Seems strange that the Time Lords didn't enlist any of their help in defeating Omega though doesn't it?

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Fair enough, you don't know enough about Dr Who to discuss it seriously. You ignore what Hinchcliffe and Holmes intended. You have some imaginary idea that some regeneration limit makes the show more tense, like kids would have been sitting thinking "Oh my God, if Tom Bakers Doctor dies he'll have one less regeneration available, that is so much more scary because the show is bound to be going on 30 years from now, and they might reach the end at some point".

Laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.

So The Doctor being immortal and having no life-threatening consequences for his actions is seemingly okay in your book then?

I fail to see how it makes the show more tense when there is no jeopardy for the lead character.

Then again, I guess it all should have finished with "The Keeper Of Traken" before JNT and Saward ruined things eh? Wink

Perhaps I might make some videos to upload on youtube to voice my pains at not being able to rewrite history complete with fapping noises in the background.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
renegade wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Tash wrote:
The phrase was actually "Your appearance has changed before, it will change again", leaving how many regenerations the Doctor had gone through ambiguous, it could have been one, it could have been half a dozen. The Second Doctor was effectively executed by the Time Lords, and if Time Lords had unlimited regenerations the punishment wouldn't mean anything.

True, they still name Hartnell as being "The earliest one" in "The Three Doctors" however.

Perhaps these mysterious incarnations of Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Dicks etc which Renegade favours all took place between Troughton and Pertwee whilst he was exiled on earth and Pertwee had just regenerated from Hinchcliffe when he first see him fall out of the TARDIS in "Spearhead"??

Seems strange that the Time Lords didn't enlist any of their help in defeating Omega though doesn't it?

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Fair enough, you don't know enough about Dr Who to discuss it seriously. You ignore what Hinchcliffe and Holmes intended. You have some imaginary idea that some regeneration limit makes the show more tense, like kids would have been sitting thinking "Oh my God, if Tom Bakers Doctor dies he'll have one less regeneration available, that is so much more scary because the show is bound to be going on 30 years from now, and they might reach the end at some point".

Laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.

So The Doctor being immortal and having no life-threatening consequences for his actions is seemingly okay in your book then?

I fail to see how it makes the show more tense when there is no jeopardy for the lead character.

Then again, I guess it all should have finished with "The Keeper Of Traken" before JNT and Saward ruined things eh? Wink


Why would it have finished then?

Though for me it stopped being a quality show long before that, I'd be happy if it had ended before the Key to Time season.

Anyway, there are life threatening situations for companions and friendly characters, probably half the cliffhangers are of that type. And lead characters don't die mid season, so a fatal (no regeneration, really dead) threat to the Doctor would only be convincing in the final episode. Not much of a loss of tension, is it?

Cartmels masterplan fucked the Doctor up more than this does, RTDs addition of romance to the character of the Doctor even more so. This is the least of RTDs crimes against Doctor Who.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegade wrote:
Why would it have finished then?

Though for me it stopped being a quality show long before that, I'd be happy if it had ended before the Key to Time season.

Anyway, there are life threatening situations for companions and friendly characters, probably half the cliffhangers are of that type. And lead characters don't die mid season, so a fatal (no regeneration, really dead) threat to the Doctor would only be convincing in the final episode. Not much of a loss of tension, is it?

Cartmels masterplan fucked the Doctor up more than this does, RTDs addition of romance to the character of the Doctor even more so. This is the least of RTDs crimes against Doctor Who.

Cutter, lead character in Primeval died mid-season, so did (from memory)leading character Professor Arturo in Sliders too.

RTD has robbed any possible angst or tension for the lead character as he approaches his final two incarnations, it's not that I'm opposed to the series continuing past the Doctors 13th life, indeed there are many inventive and imaginative ways around the 13-life limit, but addressing it now and in such a lame way robs the character not just of his intregrity but also his vulnerability too and leaves him as a sterile immortal superman hypocrite.

Although I am not adversed to the Doctor experienceing romance, it should be done right (Rose was most definately done WRONG), however I agree with you in regard to the Cartmel Masterplan - shufflingly the pages of a script in to a random order and deleting out important plot information as well as giving the lead character new inexplicable powers which he has never used before does not make him mysterious or the story intrigueing.

In fact RTD by cancelling out the regen limit is in many ways as guilty as Cartmel in making him an invulnerable god.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It is now official, canon, in the bag, fact. However you want to call it, the BBC has officially declared the title from the long-running science fiction series Doctor Who as “immortal,”"


"Regeneration limit shelved, Doctor Who is now immortal!"



""how will Doctor Who deal with the Time Lord's 12 regeneration limit?

And the answer - apparently - is this: it'll erase the regeneration limit entirely. *pauses for effect*

That's right, your favourite Time Lord is now a full-blown immortal. And this fact will be dispatched in a throw-away line on the Sarah Jane Adventures, presumably in the forthcoming episode titled Death Of The Doctor""

"Doctor Who: The Doctor Can Now Live Forever – BBC Ditches 12 Regeneration Limit
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick Deckard wrote:
That's right, your favourite Time Lord is now a full-blown immortal. And this fact will be dispatched in a throw-away line on the Sarah Jane Adventures, presumably in the forthcoming episode titled Death Of The Doctor""


That's just it, though. It's a throwaway line on a spin-off series, where that series producer seems to want to distance it from Who to curtail any crossovers, so it probably has little or no rlevance to the series itself. Besides, we still don't know what the context of the line was, or what was actually said, so it's open to a world of interpretations. I don't watch the SJA's as I don't like what RTD did to Sarah Jane's character, so for me that line will never have existed anyway.

Who is a family show, and SJA is made for kiddies, so there'll be shedloads of people who will be unaware of this line and don't read the Guardian or pay much attention to stuff like that in the papers- they'll be more interested in footie results, Eastenders gossip or who Jordan's latest shag is. My guess is that IF this has any bearing on the character of the Doctor, there'll be an explanation during dialogue in the actual TV series proper. Maybe Gallifrey not being there means there's no 'cap' on the regen limit, or summink, so if Gallifrey makes a comeback, that will have repercussions on the Doctor- they'd possibly wait until the Doctor is on his 14th regen before bringing it back, thus ensuring he has a new cycle. That's how I'd get past the limit, anyhoo.
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