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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonkers!

So that's dubstep. Basically grime without the words. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah basically, some is good, a lot is just awful cookie cutter nothingness (just like drum n bass)

Maybe I just don't get it, but I thought the point was to do a grimy electronic tune, but give it the sort of layer-by-layer atmospheric buildup you get with old Dub music

anyway this track is the reigning champ for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBF3XPODps

And the only LP I could recommend at this point is "Greetings from Birmingham" by Scorn, but apparently that's "illbient" or something. Anyway it sounds proper horrible if you turn it right up, good stuff
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Liam_ wrote:
Yeah basically, some is good, a lot is just awful cookie cutter nothingness (just like drum n bass)

Maybe I just don't get it, but I thought the point was to do a grimy electronic tune, but give it the sort of layer-by-layer atmospheric buildup you get with old Dub music

anyway this track is the reigning champ for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBF3XPODps

And the only LP I could recommend at this point is "Greetings from Birmingham" by Scorn, but apparently that's "illbient" or something. Anyway it sounds proper horrible if you turn it right up, good stuff


Hmmmm.... that sounded pretty fine, also liked some of the other stuff that came up on the page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCFj19bPJXE&feature=related for example. I've definitely come across Scorn before (John Everall? Mick Harris?) but quite some time ago and I think that was totally without any rhythm from what I can remember.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dubstep fm is worth a look in:

http://shoutcast.com/shoutcast_player?stationid=7225&Genre=Dubstep&ContentFlag=1&isCallInternal=&related=

24/7 dubstep djs. Obviously its a lucky dip as to who's on at any moment in time, but ive heard some pretty sick sets on there before.

The youtube video was excellent Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDarkLord wrote:
_Liam_ wrote:
Yeah basically, some is good, a lot is just awful cookie cutter nothingness (just like drum n bass)


Yeah, most are just floor fillers, but even the most dumbfuck repetitive tunes can sound decent when layered by a decent DJ.

Drum and Bass lost it's way (mostly) post 94. I much prefer the dark hardcore/jungle era which preceded it. The ratio of decent tunes to fillers was far more positively skewed in the former's favour. Plus the tunes were more atmospheric, darker, packed full of sweeping synths and (often) horror film samples. I prefered the use of sampled jazz/funk breaks: amen, funky drummer break etc, as the tracks had a more organic groove that few d&b producers have manged to match since.

Nearly 20 years on and I still don't think these tracks have been bettered for their raw innovation:

(Obviously some of them take thier time to build given more tracks were more DJ friendly back then, but a little patience hurts no-one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujXhES3kkXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgnhzCcF-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzFgiX6EItI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3fhddgNQh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IGJa7CzqmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8KYOANsLi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfw35Hv_L0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_FmO9_4tDY

I think it's just become too easy to produce something half-decent on a pc with a few samey vst plugins whereas the original guys were squeezing out the most they could from fairly limited equipment and had to be more creative. Things sound more polished now, but polished doesn't equate to good IMO.

If I'm going for modern tracks I like which capture the old vibe then maybe something like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q6MGlL_e8U

Still, most modern drum and bass and it's derivatives; grime, dubstep breaks are (sadly) utter utter dogshit.

I liked some of Pinch's original stuff, but now his it''s got too self-indulgent. This was an awesome early dubstep track, mainly cos the vocal elevates it above the mundane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAoiajs8fGA



I agree a lot of d&b lost its way a while ago, it went into a bit of a cul de sac. For me it was when a lot of the producers got really egotistical and thought a trumpet sample made them jazz musicians or something. Whatever really. However the old flame is alive and well on psycho fm in my opinion.

http://shoutcast.com/shoutcast_player?stationid=538413&Genre=RaggaJungleDubStepDubwise&ContentFlag=1

Its a couple of hundred hour long sets in seemingly random rotation, keeps getting added to though. Theres a couple of clunkers, but some killers as well, a lot of dancehall vibe and jungle ragga. Ive pissed my neighbours of a few times Smile See what you think.

Dubstep is dying the death at the moment with too many band wagon jumpers and bedroom producers who just want to in on the act to seem hip. It inevitably happens with every genre of dance music. Breakcore produced some classics in the last decade though and was never really commercial enough to get that many imitators.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the odd ragga sample, but I'm not so keen on tunes with a heavy dancehall vibe. There's a lot of lazy amen tracks with chanting on out there. I love that dark element, nasty basslines, sweeping synths, well constructed and sampled beats, nice little breakdowns etc.

The whole jazz feel really kicked off with Roni Size and Die's Music Box. This is wonderful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdR8fAIFnAk

Pretty much everything Size did after that was monkey jism. I ended up hating the whole jazz n bass thing as it was massively over-exposed and inherently cheesy like this hideous aural outpouring of musical pus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6E7J2UNajA

As for the musical staleness thing, I don't think it's limited to dance music. Although home studios have democratised music production, it's no different from the kids who formed skiffle groups in the 50s or the millions of spotty teens who buy a guitar and form sub-standard teenage bands which emulate the type of drivel they're listening to at the time. The magic comes when someone says, "so we can play/produce a bit, I wonder what happens if we do this instead".

Rock and Roll is the worst cookie cutter music ever - fact. Same beat, same fucking 12 bar riff, and the same quiff-haired cunt spewing "awella wella boobity bop doobity do" over the track repeatedly. Not to mention the fact it was stolen from infinately more creative people.


Yeah, lack of imagination is nothing new!! I have heard some really baaad garage from the 60s, but some classics as well amongst the imitators.
And also there is some massively lazy jungle ragga out there. Some of the sets on psycho radio are pretty well mixed though, with quite a few layers going on. I have heard a couple that have ssent me scuttling for the off button though Smile
I dont know if youve heard this guy before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwmUOJR-GwA

Hes called the bug and he does some, imo, pretty good quality stuff. Its not D&B in itself, but theres usually lots of D&B and dubstep remixes floating about. I can recommend some download links for his stuff if you dig ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a bloke in north london called Terra Slim who is possibly the only dubstep mc who doesn't ruin a live show, sort of Saul Williams esque
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, ive heard few decent sets before where a third rate mc just shits all over the microphone............... for shame.
I'll check terra slim out, cheers Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mwahahah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lLqqR2pcws&feature=related

it's ok to laugh, she was faking all along
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