FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Profile Log in to check your private messages
The Leisure Hive Forum Index  Log in  Register
Journeys End. A complete list of why it doesn't work
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    The Leisure Hive Forum Index -> The Current Era
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
renegade



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Posts: 670

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big question - does anyone really give a shit about the details?

I could give a reasonable answer off the top of my head for about half the points you raise, but I don't think it matters. I could also raise more problems with the plot (and this is just from what I remember from the one time I saw it). But that would just be a waste of effort.

It's a fictional TV show, it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be entertaining enough to justify having watched it. For me it wasn't, but if it had been I would have forgiven it any amount of nonsense.

Loads of Classic Who doesn't stand up to close examination, but I don't give a shit, I'll watch it over and over again. No one 'proving' it makes no sense is going to stop me. And no one 'proving' everything in Jouneys End makes sense would stop me from hating it.

You do seem a little obsessive about this episode Razz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
munkus



Joined: 02 Jul 2010
Posts: 498

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegade wrote:
The big question - does anyone really give a shit about the details?

I could give a reasonable answer off the top of my head for about half the points you raise, but I don't think it matters. I could also raise more problems with the plot (and this is just from what I remember from the one time I saw it). But that would just be a waste of effort.

It's a fictional TV show, it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be entertaining enough to justify having watched it. For me it wasn't, but if it had been I would have forgiven it any amount of nonsense.

Loads of Classic Who doesn't stand up to close examination, but I don't give a shit, I'll watch it over and over again. No one 'proving' it makes no sense is going to stop me. And no one 'proving' everything in Jouneys End makes sense would stop me from hating it.

You do seem a little obsessive about this episode Razz


I'm not obsessed its just it's one of the few new who episodes I can recall. I'm aware that classic who has its plot holes too but the difference is I often don't find them so glareing. For example I didn't even spot the plot hole someone pointed out here in the Five doctors about seeking immortality when the high council just offered the Master more lives.

The reason I've raised these points are for a variety of reasons.
1. To try show Rani it's crap
2. To show how easy it is to rip appart a new who story
3. To show how it's not just an indepth observation which can spot these but just a passing glance.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
xM002x
Guest





PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munkus wrote:
xM002x wrote:
I can forgive things like the satellites,



Why, it was integral to the plot? No satelights means No mobile phone network for Doctor to use to contact others, and visa versa, No means of TV broadcast, No means for the software to contact the Tardis. No means for Mr Smith to pick up Dalek Signles, No way for the UNIT control room to monitor the fleet. Such a simple oversight ruins the whole thing.


Well, presumably they would take the atmosphere around it too? However, I don't know how this all works and if that's even possible or whatever.



They would need to take the Ozone layer with them, otherwise we would all get fucked up ( pelted by radioation, burnt? - I don't know ). Most satellites are geostationary which glide at 38,400km, below the Ozone layer.

In fact, some new satellites actually glide a lot lower, which means they travel a lot faster than the Earth is spinning. These are a lot cheaper to deploy, making it plausible they could have launched some after the Earth moved. They work by differently to how traditional satellites will function. Traditional satellites usually use a "bent pipe" broadcast method, where a signal comes in at an angle and is bounced off in the opposite angle.


Some new satellites glide a lot lower and relay the signals across a chain, in space, to reach the destination. This is how they can glide so low, overtaking the Earth's orbit.

Something like this but, imagine a chain of about 4 satellites or so.
Back to top
Author Message
renegade



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Posts: 670

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munkus wrote:
renegade wrote:
The big question - does anyone really give a shit about the details?

I could give a reasonable answer off the top of my head for about half the points you raise, but I don't think it matters. I could also raise more problems with the plot (and this is just from what I remember from the one time I saw it). But that would just be a waste of effort.

It's a fictional TV show, it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be entertaining enough to justify having watched it. For me it wasn't, but if it had been I would have forgiven it any amount of nonsense.

Loads of Classic Who doesn't stand up to close examination, but I don't give a shit, I'll watch it over and over again. No one 'proving' it makes no sense is going to stop me. And no one 'proving' everything in Jouneys End makes sense would stop me from hating it.

You do seem a little obsessive about this episode Razz


I'm not obsessed its just it's one of the few new who episodes I can recall. I'm aware that classic who has its plot holes too but the difference is I often don't find them so glareing. For example I didn't even spot the plot hole someone pointed out here in the Five doctors about seeking immortality when the high council just offered the Master more lives.

The reason I've raised these points are for a variety of reasons.
1. To try show Rani it's crap
2. To show how easy it is to rip appart a new who story
3. To show how it's not just an indepth observation which can spot these but just a passing glance.


Fair enough, though like I said, if someone liked Journeys End (or any other story for that matter) then you aren't going to change their opinion by pointing out plot flaws and scientific nonsense to them.

(Oh, and point 45. You can't criticise an episode for not maintaining continuity with an episode made 2 years later. You can criticise the later episode for the continuity lapse, but not the original one.)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
munkus



Joined: 02 Jul 2010
Posts: 498

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good response and educational at the same time. Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
Professor



Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Posts: 1948

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

46. The Earth is put into planetary alignment with 36 other planets or something.

The Tides should have gone mental. If the moon can affect them so much, 36 planets should have caused the oceans to rise by a good few hundred metres, causing most of the population to drown.

Yet not even the London basin is affected.

It's pure tripe from start to end.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
iank



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Posts: 879

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst episode of Doctor Who ever made, anywhere, by anyone.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
Tash



Joined: 03 Jul 2010
Posts: 893
Location: Atlantis

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iank wrote:
The worst episode of Doctor Who ever made, anywhere, by anyone.


I still think The Bend of Thyme was worse.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
RobFilth



Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 9013
Location: Rallying against Rani's Repetitive Rhubarb and Rubbish.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tash wrote:
iank wrote:
The worst episode of Doctor Who ever made, anywhere, by anyone.


I still think The Bend of Thyme was worse.

Even with the given physical scientifically impossible comic strip nonsense of Journeys Bell-End, I'd still reckon Last Of The Time Turds is a bigger abortion when it comes to badly thought out made up on the fly third rate hack.
_________________


Rallying against Rani's Repetitive Rhubarb and Rubbish.


Last edited by RobFilth on Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:14 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
Chancellor Valium



Joined: 10 May 2007
Posts: 3213
Location: Behind the First Mystery which is the Last Mystery which is the twenty-fourth mystery and Great Amen

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but on reflexion Time Rift is still worse than anything Randolph T Deoxyribose has ever produced.
_________________
"My fellow Americans: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say to you: We must move forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Author Message
Tash



Joined: 03 Jul 2010
Posts: 893
Location: Atlantis

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chancellor Valium wrote:
I'm sorry, but on reflexion Time Rift is still worse than anything Randolph T Deoxyribose has ever produced.


Time Rift is appalling, but fortunately it's not regarded as canonical. Speaking of fan films, I'm going to get a copy of Millenium Trap soon Very Happy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
Chancellor Valium



Joined: 10 May 2007
Posts: 3213
Location: Behind the First Mystery which is the Last Mystery which is the twenty-fourth mystery and Great Amen

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tash wrote:
Chancellor Valium wrote:
I'm sorry, but on reflexion Time Rift is still worse than anything Randolph T Deoxyribose has ever produced.


Time Rift is appalling, but fortunately it's not regarded as canonical. Speaking of fan films, I'm going to get a copy of Millenium Trap soon Very Happy.

That one actually looks pretty good, by fan production standards. And at least the acting isn't much worse than some of the more cringingly awful acting in the actual show.
_________________
"My fellow Americans: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say to you: We must move forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Author Message
Vector-Victor



Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Posts: 2599
Location: Cork, Ireland

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

8. Why are the Daleks not being powered by static?


Probably because that only happened in the 60s stories-I haven't seen
any reference to static-powered Daleks after the Troughton era (I'm open
to correction on this,though).

But you're dead right about the rest, I'm afraid. Rolling Eyes
_________________
Stan: Nobody threatens my family! Now get out of the way or I'll shoot you all!

Hayley: Oh, God, it's my junior prom all over again.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
renegade



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Posts: 670

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vector-Victor wrote:
Quote:

8. Why are the Daleks not being powered by static?


Probably because that only happened in the 60s stories-I haven't seen
any reference to static-powered Daleks after the Troughton era (I'm open
to correction on this,though).

But you're dead right about the rest, I'm afraid. Rolling Eyes


I think static is only mentioned in the original Dalek story and the two Troughton stories. It may have a passing mention in Invasion of Earth, they do say something about Daleks not needing metal surfaces to move on anymore, but I'm not sure if static is mentioned specifically.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Author Message
Shadow Doctor



Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbRNXLEAwiA

What should have happened. Realism begins at 0:40. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    The Leisure Hive Forum Index -> The Current Era All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

© 2007-2008 Informe.com. Get Free Forum Hosting
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
 :: 
BBTech Template by © 2003-04 MDesign