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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I adore Lexx. It's on a par with Greek Comedy, and I consider Babylon 5 to be one of the greatest tv shows ever broadcast, period. Equal to I Claudius, The Iliad and Odyssey or similar.

I think the reason both shows have a lot of detractors is that many people watch one or two episodes, get totally confused and have no clue. Babylon 5 is one you have to watch from the very first episode all the way through, otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever, but the critical journeys of the characters are beyond compare. Londo and G'Kar, as played by Peter Jurassik and Andreas Katsulas, are two of the greatest tragic characters ever to appear on screen in any show ever broadcast. The first and last seasons are a bit ropey effects and acting wise, but seriously, it's the War and Peace of television.

Lexx is much, much better than its ever given credit for either. It's five main characters are a sex starved pathological coward, a psychopathic jealous robot head, a woman with the body of a sex slave who is genetically half carnivorous lizard, a dead bloke and a giant insect that eats planets, all wrapped up in a gothic Universe that's more deliciously evil than the nastiest episode of Warhammer 40,000, but more nonsensical, whimsical and downright bloody funny than even Salvador Dali could come up with.

In short, it's a work of utter genius. The fact that it works, the fact that it doesn't try and make sense, that it's such a glorious piece of madness. The fact that it has parasitic carrots that attack via the anus or a musical episode based on Brigadoon, or hillbillies in space. Or the most insanely evil emperor ever in the most gothic piece of TV I have ever seen. It has singing brains! This is genuine, glorious uncontained imagination in a way that TV has always been far too scared to do. This makes it not just brilliant television, but possibly the greatest tv series ever made.


What a load of horse shit. This is exactly the sort of nonsense defence Fathead uses to excuse his own cretinous drivel and no-one's more vociferous in tearing it to shreds than you.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I adore Lexx. It's on a par with Greek Comedy, and I consider Babylon 5 to be one of the greatest tv shows ever broadcast, period. Equal to I Claudius, The Iliad and Odyssey or similar.

I think the reason both shows have a lot of detractors is that many people watch one or two episodes, get totally confused and have no clue. Babylon 5 is one you have to watch from the very first episode all the way through, otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever, but the critical journeys of the characters are beyond compare. Londo and G'Kar, as played by Peter Jurassik and Andreas Katsulas, are two of the greatest tragic characters ever to appear on screen in any show ever broadcast. The first and last seasons are a bit ropey effects and acting wise, but seriously, it's the War and Peace of television.

Lexx is much, much better than its ever given credit for either. It's five main characters are a sex starved pathological coward, a psychopathic jealous robot head, a woman with the body of a sex slave who is genetically half carnivorous lizard, a dead bloke and a giant insect that eats planets, all wrapped up in a gothic Universe that's more deliciously evil than the nastiest episode of Warhammer 40,000, but more nonsensical, whimsical and downright bloody funny than even Salvador Dali could come up with.

In short, it's a work of utter genius. The fact that it works, the fact that it doesn't try and make sense, that it's such a glorious piece of madness. The fact that it has parasitic carrots that attack via the anus or a musical episode based on Brigadoon, or hillbillies in space. Or the most insanely evil emperor ever in the most gothic piece of TV I have ever seen. It has singing brains! This is genuine, glorious uncontained imagination in a way that TV has always been far too scared to do. This makes it not just brilliant television, but possibly the greatest tv series ever made.


What a load of horse shit. This is exactly the sort of nonsense defence Fathead uses to excuse his own cretinous drivel and no-one's more vociferous in tearing it to shreds than you.


Yeah, it's pretty Davies-esque. Laughing


I disagree that Lexx is Daviesesque. RTD has consistently proven himself to have no imagination, Lexx has more imagination than it knows what to do with. On the occasions that it is crude, it chooses to be so for a reason, while Davies' crude humour is playground level. Also, all the characters stay in character throughout the entire run.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a load of horse shit. This is exactly the sort of nonsense defence Fathead uses to excuse his own cretinous drivel and no-one's more vociferous in tearing it to shreds than you.


Yeah, it's pretty Davies-esque. Laughing


I disagree that Lexx is Daviesesque. RTD has consistently proven himself to have no imagination, Lexx has more imagination than it knows what to do with. On the occasions that it is crude, it chooses to be so for a reason, while Davies' crude humour is playground level. Also, all the characters stay in character throughout the entire run.


Read it again. It's your diatribe that's Davies-esque.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexx is nothing special, but it's worth watching for Eva Habermann. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lexx is nothing special, but it's worth watching for Eva Habermann. Razz


Yeah, OK, I admit there was one good thing about Lexx. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludders wrote:
Lexx is nothing special, but it's worth watching for Eva Habermann. Razz


Agreed! and the other chick Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, don't dis Lexx, it was good!

Alien Nation, Crime Traveller, Space Precinct and Quantum Leap were all utter shite excuses for sci-fi though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's a descending shit-slide, from the merely embarrassing to the unbelievably incompetent:

Babylon 5/Battlestar Galactica Redux - I've fond memories of watching it, but it really is annoyingly full of itself.
Farscape
Battlestar Galactica the First
Lexx
Enterprise
Planet of the Apes
NuWho
Space Precinct
Quantum Leap
Buck's Fizz Rogers in the 25th Dentist's
Torchwood

From what I remember, I rather liked Space: 1999. It's got a kind of cheesy hokum-futurism that I find amusing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Hey, don't dis Lexx, it was good!

Alien Nation, Crime Traveller, Space Precinct and Quantum Leap were all utter shite excuses for sci-fi though.


Good to see another Lexx liker about ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll probably get lynched, but for me- the remake of Battlestar Galactica. They took a light-hearted, fun and much-loved (By me) late 70s- early 80s TV show that had decent SFX for its' day, likeable characters and a bit of pulp SF fun in using the 12 tribes of man motif, and turned it into a 'post 9/11', 'gritty, realistic' and wholly unwatchable pile of crud. Why the f*ck do they have to make EVERY bloody remake have a 'post 9/11' vibe? Since when were the Cylons supposed to have been created by men and turned against them, and be hidden amongst them? The Cylons were supposed to be cybernetically enhanced reptilian aliens, and Starbuck was a MAN!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like say some more about "Space 1999"-that the plot was hopeless
scientifically inaccurate even by TV SF standards. The moon gets blown
out of the solar system-so it should have been travelling FTL all the
time, yet it seems to slow down whenever they meet aliens.

It had an excellent leads (Landau and Bain) and an excellent guest cast including Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Brian Blessed and Patrick Troughton. Yet they could never rescue the show's dire scripts.

So I am puzzled why "Space: 1999" seems to have numerous fans even today, when by all accounts it should have slid into obscurity along with
"The Starlost" and "Jason of Star Command". Question
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Series 1 of Space: 1999 was rather good, despite the improbable premise, and had the vibe of '2001- A Space Odyssey, the TV series'. Series 2, which had the shape-shifting alien bird, new theme tune and so on, became steadily more ridiculous. I'm not that much of a fan of 1999, simply due to series 2- and most of the time, it's series bloody 2 that gets repeat screenings.
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Vector-Victor wrote:
I'd like say some more about "Space 1999"-that the plot was hopeless
scientifically inaccurate even by TV SF standards. The moon gets blown
out of the solar system-so it should have been travelling FTL all the
time, yet it seems to slow down whenever they meet aliens.

It had an excellent leads (Landau and Bain) and an excellent guest cast including Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Brian Blessed and Patrick Troughton. Yet they could never rescue the show's dire scripts.

So I am puzzled why "Space: 1999" seems to have numerous fans even today, when by all accounts it should have slid into obscurity along with
"The Starlost" and "Jason of Star Command". Question


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So I am puzzled why "Space: 1999" seems to have numerous fans even today, when by all accounts it should have slid into obscurity


I've been watching these again recently -- currently four episodes into S2.

The models/miniatures are probably the best there've ever been in a sci-fi tv show, and the design/camerawork/lighting are generally very good. (If you don't think they're good reasons to watch a show, well, who watches Ridley Scott movies for the stories?)

The guest cast is usually very good and so are some of the regulars: Nick Tate, Tony Anholt, Barry Morse and Catherine Schell.

Bain and Landau leave a lot to be desired (IIRC either Gerry or Sylvia Anderson though the same) and Prentiss Hancock and Zienia Merton are bloody awful.

The first season stories tend to be ponderous (or metaphysical if you believe the script editor) while the second season goes too far in the other direction and can be quite trashy (I'll be interested to see how Bringers of Wonder stands up because that's the episode that sticks in my mind from years ago).

So a curate's egg... but more to like than to dislike and a hell of a lot more enjoyable than NuPoo.
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Any fans of Star Maidens?

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