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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really was annoyed no one attacked RTD on the ming mongs comments. I think a lot of people just don't know about it. When I raised the comment with some friends they were utterly appalled by it, and agree that even if RTD isn't meaning it in such a context that is derogatory towards disabled people (which is the only context it works in), at the very least someone in his position should know better. People have been fired for less.
I never interpretted it in that way. I've always viewed Ming Mongs as a generic name for a crap monster in sci fi film or TV. RTD wasn't even the first to use it.


Trust you to defend RTD to the last breath. Rolling Eyes
Trust you to get the wrong end of the stick. I am not defending him as I never heard him using this expression. I'm just pointing out that it was used before RTD and doesn't necessarily have a derogatory meaning though indeed people should be wary of using it perhaps.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And if he meant it as an insult, still he should remember, it's we who fund his bloody job by funding the useless corporation, so don't bite the hand that in effect feeds him.
I must disagree that the BBC is useless.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mistress Rani wrote:
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Mistress Rani wrote:
munkus wrote:
I really was annoyed no one attacked RTD on the ming mongs comments. I think a lot of people just don't know about it. When I raised the comment with some friends they were utterly appalled by it, and agree that even if RTD isn't meaning it in such a context that is derogatory towards disabled people (which is the only context it works in), at the very least someone in his position should know better. People have been fired for less.
I never interpretted it in that way. I've always viewed Ming Mongs as a generic name for a crap monster in sci fi film or TV. RTD wasn't even the first to use it.


Trust you to defend RTD to the last breath. Rolling Eyes
Trust you to get the wrong end of the stick. I am not defending him as I never heard him using this expression. I'm just pointing out that it was used before RTD and doesn't necessarily have a derogatory meaning though indeed people should be wary of using it perhaps.


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The online posters of what Russell T Davies rudely calls "ming mong land" were up in arms. They were angry about "stunt casting".

There were residents of Ming Mong Land who swore they would never watch again.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2008/apr/04/catherinetatedoctorwho

This is how bad things start. Some twats (Like Daniel Martin, and Ben Cook, who also repeats the words) idolise a big fatheaded twat. Fatheaded twat says some extremely offensive things, and the idiots start repeating him.

Result: People with Down's Syndrome start to get abused in the street in a way that had died out. How in fuck's name did he not get called out on it, instead having the media actually join in with his crass offensive bullying?

Is it because he licks journalistic arse?

I mean, for fuck's sake, this wanker of a journalist even goes on to say:

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Spoiler alert! From the episode preview here we can divine that Ming Mong Land aside (and please name a planet that soon, thanks), there's plenty to look forward to in series four.


How in hells name did he not get sacked for that?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rani, you're clearly an intelligent person. You'll know that in the work place you can have a joke but you need to be careful in what you say. For example if you said to someone "you are so gay" it could be seen as homophobic even if the person meant it meaning you look happy. Now chances are at the very least you'd be told off, be more careful and possibly asked to go on a sensitivity course. RTD got away scott free. And what's more, there is absolutely no other way the comment could have been used given the context it was used in.

In any case RTD should have been punished and wasn't. He thus hasn't learned his lesson and now the usage is widespread, used to attack anyone with disabilities.

I think prof sums up my views well on the matter.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tash wrote:
mumbles wrote:
What I find most galling though is a whole new generation of fans/young kids watching the show will grow up thinking John fucking Lumic actually created the Cybermen.


Anyone who doesn't think Trigger's character was a rip off of Davros needs urgent psychiatric treatment.".

Lumic never really struck me as being a rip-off of Davros, he seemed to me to be more of a rip-off of Doctor Armstrong who invented The Cybernauts in The Avengers.

The only similarity between Lumic and Davros is that they were both wheelchair bound.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"mong" is as bad as spastic, retard, spacko etc, it's a word that makes fun of disabled people
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's actually a tribe in Vietnam called the Mong or H'Mong, which I doubt
RTD was referring to (RTD probably only knows about Vietnam at all due to
his buddy Barrowboy being in "Miss Saigon") :

http://www.peoplesoftheworld.org/text?people=H%27mong
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munkus wrote:
Rani, you're clearly an intelligent person. You'll know that in the work place you can have a joke but you need to be careful in what you say. For example if you said to someone "you are so gay" it could be seen as homophobic even if the person meant it meaning you look happy. Now chances are at the very least you'd be told off, be more careful and possibly asked to go on a sensitivity course. RTD got away scott free. And what's more, there is absolutely no other way the comment could have been used given the context it was used in.

In any case RTD should have been punished and wasn't. He thus hasn't learned his lesson and now the usage is widespread, used to attack anyone with disabilities.

I think prof sums up my views well on the matter.


Moffat seems to have got away entirely with using the term too.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegade wrote:
munkus wrote:
Rani, you're clearly an intelligent person. You'll know that in the work place you can have a joke but you need to be careful in what you say. For example if you said to someone "you are so gay" it could be seen as homophobic even if the person meant it meaning you look happy. Now chances are at the very least you'd be told off, be more careful and possibly asked to go on a sensitivity course. RTD got away scott free. And what's more, there is absolutely no other way the comment could have been used given the context it was used in.

In any case RTD should have been punished and wasn't. He thus hasn't learned his lesson and now the usage is widespread, used to attack anyone with disabilities.

I think prof sums up my views well on the matter.


Moffat seems to have got away entirely with using the term too.


I was unaware he used it too. Deeply disappointed, Moffat always seemed more mature than RTD.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munkus wrote:

The GB defense came from a quote "we don't have the ming mongs" which apparently was used in a sketch of some sort.


But it was used there as a meaningless bit of technobabble like 'neutron flow'. It certainly didn't mean individual people or creatures. The RTDbots knew this perfectly well & so put that defence forward in bad faith.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

munkus wrote:
renegade wrote:
munkus wrote:
Rani, you're clearly an intelligent person. You'll know that in the work place you can have a joke but you need to be careful in what you say. For example if you said to someone "you are so gay" it could be seen as homophobic even if the person meant it meaning you look happy. Now chances are at the very least you'd be told off, be more careful and possibly asked to go on a sensitivity course. RTD got away scott free. And what's more, there is absolutely no other way the comment could have been used given the context it was used in.

In any case RTD should have been punished and wasn't. He thus hasn't learned his lesson and now the usage is widespread, used to attack anyone with disabilities.

I think prof sums up my views well on the matter.


Moffat seems to have got away entirely with using the term too.


I was unaware he used it too. Deeply disappointed, Moffat always seemed more mature than RTD.


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Moffat: I'm going to be honest and fans may hate me for it but they have to remember that I am a fan myself. A proper list-making-borderline-autistic fan. I am head mingmong. I'm King Ming.


He made the comments after people had objected to RTD using the term, so did so in full knowledge that it was considered offensive. He's a bit of a cunt, really.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I think I'd have some respect for the guy if he'd had the balls to use a term like 'fucking cocksuckers' or similar.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GHetting back to the original topic one thing I've noticed recently is the massive gap between old school classic series fans and NuWho fans

We of the old school probably give the impression we hated the show especially during the JNT era . I mean FFs how can anyone defend season 24 etc ?

The Nuwho fans however make total fools of themselves blindly praising each and every episode no matter its quality . How on earth can anyone praise Partners In Crime , Planet Of The Dead etc etc is beyond me . And their attitude sucks . If you can stand visiting the IMdb messageboards they're full of statements like " If you don't like the show BEEP off " Honestly just because someone has the money to buy a computer doesn't indicate they have the brains to surf the net
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TR wrote:
GHetting back to the original topic one thing I've noticed recently is the massive gap between old school classic series fans and NuWho fans

We of the old school probably give the impression we hated the show especially during the JNT era . I mean FFs how can anyone defend season 24 etc ?

I personally though the show during the first 5 years of the JNT era a darn sight better than it's been under Fathead and Muppet.

At least JNT had some respect for his predessors carefully laid down continuity and took the opinions of fans in to account even if he didn't get everything right.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you feel, TR. Imdb and Youtube comments pages are quite literally brimming with utter cuntishness. The more serious the subject, the worse it gets.
Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE68Rdb2tSA
After reading the comments, you'll feel like smashing your head against a wall. Evil or Very Mad
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