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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original Star Trek was the only one I really cared about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked them all except Enterprise. God, that was a bad executive decision that shouldn't have been made. I would have prefered more Voyager. Honourable mention goes to J.J.Abrams NuWho-ised remake movie. Thank Christ for Leonard Nimoy.

Still, I must say, TNG, DS9, and VOY all stamp on Nu-Who in terms of remake quality. Even Voyager had it's moments of quality story-writing, consistant acting.

Thankfully, Nu-Who now has the latter, in the leads at least. It just needs the former. Desperately.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Liam_ wrote:
paralell london w/zeppelins for the elite was in "the invisibles"

http://leisurehive.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=25177#25177


Yes, and parallel worlds with airships turn up in "Watchmen" as well. I
think RITC/TAOS was a homage to that.

In fact, "Fringe" also features a parallel universe with airships. It's an
easy way for film & TV shows to convey that an Earth-like planet isn't our earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vector-Victor wrote:
_Liam_ wrote:
paralell london w/zeppelins for the elite was in "the invisibles"

http://leisurehive.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=25177#25177


Yes, and parallel worlds with airships turn up in "Watchmen" as well. I
think RITC/TAOS was a homage to that.

In fact, "Fringe" also features a parallel universe with airships. It's an
easy way for film & TV shows to convey that an Earth-like planet isn't our earth.


I still think Inferno did it more effectively because the differences were more subtle.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveGranger wrote:
qwerty123 wrote:
To be frank i've been (re) watching star trek recently. With the notable exception of tng which is a huge steaming turd on kirk's chest imo.
I fucking hate the next gen, thank fuck they sorted it out with DS9 and voyager and enterprise. Next gen makes me want to cut myself it is so bad; picard was alright, but the rest of the cast can go fuck themselves with razors as far as im concerned.


What are you on? TNG was the best one, Voyager and Enterprise were complete arse.


Seriously?? I find it hard to get through the majority of TNG. I always found it to be insipid poorly thought out shite, a bit like nu who really, imo. Troi was especialy annoying with her I can sense that someone is having an emotion somewhere, oooooo-ooooo schitck.
Nah tbh, I hated tng at the time and I havent mellowed towards it!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snodgrass wrote:
I know you feel, TR. Imdb and Youtube comments pages are quite literally brimming with utter cuntishness. The more serious the subject, the worse it gets.
Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE68Rdb2tSA
After reading the comments, you'll feel like smashing your head against a wall. Evil or Very Mad


Slight difference between geo-politics and a mere Tv show

My problem with the IMDb and I suspect everyone elses is that the people posting have not got a clue what they're talking about

An example of this was immediatly after the broadcast of The Pandorica Opens a thread appeared headed " Wow Moffat had the guts to kill off two companions this season " and within a couple of hours it was several pages long with the same comments along the lines of " Yeah that took guts well done Steven Moffat " but strangely these teenage fans - who seem to do nothing else except write reams and reams of posts on the messageboard - did not know that the actor and actress playing Rory and Amy had in fact signed on for the Christmas special - there was no way either of these companions had been written out of the show
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't despair, Mumbles. Seeds of Doom is released on DVD soon. Luxuriate in its brilliance.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
Seeds of Doom is released on DVD soon.


This should become a mantra for all of us here.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
B3 wrote:
Seeds of Doom is released on DVD soon.


This should become a mantra for all of us here.

Very Happy

Like it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadow Doctor wrote:
I liked them all except Enterprise. God, that was a bad executive decision that shouldn't have been made. I would have prefered more Voyager. Honourable mention goes to J.J.Abrams NuWho-ised remake movie. Thank Christ for Leonard Nimoy.

Still, I must say, TNG, DS9, and VOY all stamp on Nu-Who in terms of remake quality. Even Voyager had it's moments of quality story-writing, consistant acting.

Thankfully, Nu-Who now has the latter, in the leads at least. It just needs the former. Desperately.


Big Fan of all Trek (all 5 franchises, The Original Movies and the JJ Abrams remake). Have never joined a Trek forum though as the fans have such a bad reputation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vector-Victor wrote:
_Liam_ wrote:
paralell london w/zeppelins for the elite was in "the invisibles"

http://leisurehive.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=25177#25177


Yes, and parallel worlds with airships turn up in "Watchmen" as well. I
think RITC/TAOS was a homage to that.

In fact, "Fringe" also features a parallel universe with airships. It's an
easy way for film & TV shows to convey that an Earth-like planet isn't our earth.


The earliest use of airships in "alternate history" science fiction I have come across is the 'Nomad of the Time Streams' trilogy of books written by Michael Moorcock (there may be earlier use of airships in Sci-Fi but I am not aware of them). These were written between 1971 and 1981 and features a central character, Oswald Bastable in three books:

1. ' The Warlord of the Air
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/michael-moorcock/warlord-of-air.htm


2. 'The Land Leviathan'
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/michael-moorcock/land-leviathan.htm


3. 'The Steel Tsar'
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/michael-moorcock/steel-tsar.htm


More detail here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nomad_of_the_Time_Streams

I'm a big fan of Moorcock and alot of his stuff features alternate histories. Well worth a look
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FordTimelord wrote:
Shadow Doctor wrote:
I liked them all except Enterprise. God, that was a bad executive decision that shouldn't have been made. I would have prefered more Voyager. Honourable mention goes to J.J.Abrams NuWho-ised remake movie. Thank Christ for Leonard Nimoy.

Still, I must say, TNG, DS9, and VOY all stamp on Nu-Who in terms of remake quality. Even Voyager had it's moments of quality story-writing, consistant acting.

Thankfully, Nu-Who now has the latter, in the leads at least. It just needs the former. Desperately.


Big Fan of all Trek (all 5 franchises, The Original Movies and the JJ Abrams remake). Have never joined a Trek forum though as the fans have such a bad reputation.


Nice to see theres somone else who likes enterprise here. The first season was very patchy, but it really picked up, for the few people who hung in there.
The worst thing about it was the insanely awful music at the start and end. I have never fathomed the rationale behind using some limp christian rock. wtf? If I lacked patience (and a mute button for my telly) I would never have gotten past the first episode.
In all, seasons 2, 3 and 4 are really good sci fi, imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just reposting what I wrote on page two, but obviously no-one read.

War Arrow wrote:
Steampunk airships...

cough cough...

Michael Moorcock - The Warlord of the Air.... think it was 1968...


just sayin'


Sigh.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

War Arrow wrote:
Just reposting what I wrote on page two, but obviously no-one read.

War Arrow wrote:
Steampunk airships...

cough cough...

Michael Moorcock - The Warlord of the Air.... think it was 1968...


just sayin'


Sigh.


Oops! Sorry. Started reading on Page 3. Nice to know someone likes Moorcock.
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