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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: My passion for Doctor WHo has become so diminished lately Reply with quote

To the extent that I feel almost like quitting fandom (both online and socially) altogether, and possibly watching the new series.

Certainly I've become so fed up with fandom lately (not on this forum folks Very Happy) and the pathetic appeasement of the pro RTD arse lickers and David Tennant mutual masturbation society, that even my love for the classic series has gone downhill so much, to the extent I now only watch an Classic series story now once a month (or twice or three times) depending on the latest DVD release.

Even the Classic series DVD's have been infected by RTD-Nu Who Cuntamination, case in the point, the pathetic and embarrassing SE versions of Enlightenment and Planet of Fire, and of course, things like Beneath the Masque.

I feel my head is going to explode, every time I read that cunts like Jon Blum and Clay Hickman are now the 'celebrity' figure heads of fandom.
People accuse Ian Levine of being pompous and arrogant, Bum Boy Jon is 1000 X more unbearable then Levine IMHO.

And what's really almost tempted to push me over the line to give up on Doctor Who forever,, is the fucking consistent insults to the great writers and legacy of Doctor Who, the latest being Robert Holmes obvious, with the new absurd Doctor is Immortal plot device.

By my count, the following writers have had their work and legacy in Dr Who tarnished by cunts like Rhetorical Turd Dingus - Terry Nation, Gerry Davies and Kit Pedler, Malcolm Hulke, Terrance Dicks, and probably several more I have forgotten.

And when dealing with fandom these days, like on Dipshit Central IE Gallifrey Base, we have nit-picking cunts who are constantly out to deride and slag off the classic series, compared to STD's New Who version, such as idiots who think Frontier In Space is racist IE The Ogrons being a referral to black slaves apparently, just so they can try and make themselves appear more intellectually elitist amongst fandom (Bum Boy Ginger Shagger is one such elitist)

Not only that, I kept enduring crap like Partners in Crime is better then Caves of Androzani, Billie Piper is the hottest woman on earth, David Tennant is a better actor then Olivier etc ...

It's not just on GB either, on facebook, most of the doctor Who groups are full of these toss pots as well.

I can't watch the classic series again lately, for fear I'll watch an element or important plot device that has been pissed away by Fathead (and to a lesser extent Moffat) The worse part is, they are fucking ruining classic child and adult hood memories of Doctor Who for me.

Really only Colin Baker and Paul Mcgann's BF audios is the only new Who i Look foward to now, and of course Matt Smith and Karen Gillian as well, but sadly I think no matter how good they are, they will be forced to appear in episodes which continues the denigration of Doctor Who's rich history.

I'm sorry for this long winded rant, but I feel very strongly about this for a long time now, and I've become so disillusioned as a long time fan of the show.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's just a completely sane reaction so far as I can see... just ignore these wankers, refuse to take them seriously, regardless of numbers.

To be honest, it's years since I watched a classic story, and though I've read maybe three novels this year, those have been the first in a while. I still love the show as it was but there's just not enough time in the world for everything I like, and discussing it here is a pleasure I wouldn't want to give up quite just yet. It may be because I'm no longer quite so immersed in Who as perhaps I once was that the NuWho set don't bother me so much. Let's face it, if for whatever reason the show gets dumped after another two series, the great majority of those people will be onto something else before too long.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Understandable.

The return of Fathead and fucking up the Doctors mortality has completely diminished any brief expectations that "Oh it might be getting a bit better" from Muppets Series 5 for me.

It's completely pebble-dashed my interest down the fucking pan and flushed it away.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mumbles you should really give the new McCoy Bfs a go. Death in the family is being called the greatest BF of all time.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand completely, but I for one will carry on because I can feel the end coming for NuWho, eventually the writers are going to run out of ideas because they can't think of any more 'epic' story arcs, and the the show will become ever more banal and ghastly. Matt Smith, the poor lad, will no doubt carry the blame for 'not being as good as Tensquee or Ecclescake' and will be given the boot, then the production team will go through several changes of lead actor in attempts to disguise their incompetance before low ratings finally kill it off for good and the massed hordes of NuWhovians will simply melt away.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually came close to quitting Who alltogether after the debacle that was Last of the Time Turds, Golem Jesus Doctor was bad enough, but fuck me, the Doctor sobbing like a tit over a mass murdering psycho path like Simm's Master was almost the last straw then.

Shit episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, I loathe, but I can take it or leave them, because at least they don't mess around with the history and legacy of the show.

I can almost not watch a Delgado or Ainley Master story these days without remembering how John Fucking Simm and RTD have ruined the character completely.

The one good thing is about all this is hopefully Ainley's reputation has been lifted, although he'll never be in the same class as Delgado, I think we can agree when it comes to imbecilic, disrespectful and embarrassing OTT performances as the Doctor, Simm has it down pat.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before and I'll say it again, John Simms Master makes Eric Roberts look like a fucking Delgado.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, John Simms Master makes Eric Roberts look like a fucking Delgado.


Roberts' Master was very camp, but at least he wasn't a raving lunatic, and what was all that drumming nonsense?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes me feel so horribly depressed is that fact that when at school I was horrendusly bullied for liking who, mainly because of how cheap it looked, no matter how great the stories were. Now I get ridiculed from friends and family because I think the new series is shit for being all style over substance.

You just can't win in this world.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd disengaged from watching Who a long time ago, mainly because I had life to deal with and a sudden lack of money and I knew no one else who watched it. But I'd always had an almost forgotten love for it.

Then there was this big blaze of publicity and the Ninth Doctor was on our screens.

And it was embarrassing. Really truly horrible crap of enormous turd like proportions. It was Eastenders with Jaqui and Rose, and Eccleston amused me for about 5 seconds and then got extremely annoying. And that was just the pilot. When Aliens of London came around, I was watching with my family and I think I walked out it was so shamefully bad.

I disengaged even further until about season three, where I just snapped. This was a show I loved, and Rupert The Doggerel had trashed it. I found this place, and found people who love Doctor Who as much as I do, the real stuff, not this illegitimate fake manure that masquerades as Doctor Who. I went on a massive spending spree (as you do when you rediscover something you love) buying up everything I could related to the real thing. (Which is why I'm ridiculously poor now). But now I have my Doctor Who, not just the DVD's but the books and audios. I'll watch Matt Smith, cos he's a fine actor and I hold nothing against him, but he's not canon. For me, new who is over, I own practically every story ever made. But, I haven't yet read or watched them all. It will take me a long time, an infinitely more fun and fulfilling time than watching a gurning Tensquee and Bingo. Yes the books probably aren't all that and some are written by Bumster and Telly Topping and Gatiss. But they were all written before RTD appeared and so at least aspire to being good. And some are very good. So I have a few years of my Who yet to go and I don't regret it. I despise NuWho, but fortunately I'm not engaged with it at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you, Prof (assuming here you don't mind my calling you "Prof") - you have some fine reading and viewing ahead of you.

I do think it's a great shame that NuWho can have put anyone off RealWho by association... I'd just take a break from it and come back to it. In terms of production values (by which I mean where their priorities lay rather than how much they spent), spirit, intention and so on - NuWho is actually a lot further removed from RealWho than the Star Trek cartoon series was from the original TV show - it actually seems to me harder to associate 1963-2004 (inc. novels) with what came after than it is to just take them as only distantly related.

By the way, any GB type reading this for "hilarious material" on LH denial of canon blah blah blah - you're the twat who cares so much about it that you're lurking here, not me... for me the subject is over once I finish this sentence.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mumbles wrote:
Shit episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her, I loathe, but I can take it or leave them, because at least they don't mess around with the history and legacy of the show.


I agree with this.
Even though L&M is widely regarded here as Fathead's worst possible episode, i personally loathe Last of the Time Turds, more than any other.

Having said that, i've long gone past the point of caring enough to get to this stage:

mumbles wrote:
I can almost not watch a Delgado or Ainley Master story these days without remembering how John Fucking Simm and RTD have ruined the character completely.


That's a real shame that you've let your enjoyment of proper Who get tainted to that extent, just because of the cuntishness of Nu-Who and it Nu-Who fandom.
I have the opposite experience. I find that i appreciate the classic stories so much more, because they're so much better! Simm's piss-poor version of the (alleged) Master doesn't even enter my head when i'm watching the brilliance of Delgado.
I really think that one has to get to a stage where you don't give a fuck about Nu-Who or what people on forums think. Why give them that power over you? In a way, you're letting them win.
Fuck 'em! Just like what you like because you like it. Fuck everybody else. It's the only way mate! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can play devil's advocate for a minute: I've really admired the
fifth series of Doctor Who. Watching Matt Smith and Karen Gillan has really
rekindled my enthusiasm for Doctor Who as a whole. All the enjoyment I
got out of reading the Targets as a kid, and watching the repeats of the
classic series on UK Gold, came flooding back. I'm eagerly awaiting
the next series. Cool

And I don't care what the people on A.N. Other forum think about Doctor
Who.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing that bugs me is how hypocritical the New-Who fans can be. I mean, in the TVtropes(a website I quite like, usually) entry "Small Name Big Ego", they put the usual list of names, Ian Levine, Saward and of course, Lawrence Miles, but no mention of RTD's intense smuggery and "ming mongs" comment
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've almost decided not to watch next year, for the same reason as Rob.

Relentless T Destroyer has overstepped the mark with this one.

I've actually come to see new Who as another version of a continuation in the vein of Big Finish and the books, as oppose to the official one. It's much easier that way.
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