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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
If you asked the Doctor whether he had ever met Sherlock Holmes he'd probably say, "No, but I gave my good friend Arthur Conan Doyle the idea for the character when he was suffering from writers block one morning,"

And there'd be nothing wrong with that. Arthur Conan Doyle is a real life historical figure, no different to Shakespeare or DaVinci.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but doesnt that woman in remembrance (er, toos from robots of death) mention "Bernard" from british rocket group, or was that just the novelisation?

So long as she didn't say Quatermass, then it would still be acceptable. Just like it would have been perfectly acceptable for TenDoc to say something like - "I met a guy once who liked Dressing Gowns. What was his name now? Bent? Gent? No, no, began with a 'D'... Albert? Arthur? Something like that..." So long as there's sufficient ambiguity in there, it's up to the audience to take it for what it is. It's the explicit statement of fact that he's met someone he couldn't possibly have met that undermines the character and the show.

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In Liamland, h2g2, quatermass, doctor who & blakes 7 all exist within the same fictional realm. Someone once suggested to me that the plague in Terry Nation's Survivors is the same plague as the one in Dalek Invasion of Earth - I'll have that too.

Continuities and consistencies in the mind of individual viewers is pefectly acceptable. There's nothing to say that "The A-Team" and "Knight Rider" were not in the same fictional realms, but they never met and they never mentioned each other so you couldn't prove it.

Viewers, fans, aficionados, can think what they wish, that's what we do. But a writer who's trying to maintain some semblance of believability in his characters needs to take responsibility for his work and not throw everything out the window for the sake of a feeble pop culture punchline.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I'm outraged by the idea that DW shares a universe with Quatermass. (Just seems a bit odd that they never met during the early UNIT years).

And as to affairs in Liamland, I believe it's in fact semi-canon that DW and Blake's 7 share a universe, as Kaldor City (from Robots of Death) apparently turns up in some B7 audios or books or similar.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a real clanger:

In the Doctor Who-niverse, it's now been fully established that they don't have the same Prime Ministers as we do, right? The missing one from Aliens of London is never named (can't be Blair, though, as we all know he retired in real life, and it can't be Gordon Brown because the story is set in 2006 and he wasn't Prime Minister yet). We have to assume the missing PM is therefore some other 'fictional' counterpart.

The ones we do get to see are Harriet Jones, whose "golden age" was cut short by the Doctor, making way for Mister Saxon to step into the breach.

However, in Rise of the Cybermen, Mickey talks about Tony Blair as though he's the British Prime Minister 'back home' in his universe. I'm afraid it just doesn't tally up. Either Mickey and Rose are from OUR universe, warts and all, or they're from a fictional universe with it's own politicians etc. You just can't have a bet each way.

Of course, any half decent script editor would have spotted it and replaced it with "Harriet Jones" or "Mister Saxon", thus maintaining at least some semblance of internal continuity and logic. What the hell are these people being paid for, eh?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"These people" are being paid to be "Nodding Dogs" at BBC Wales Production Team meetings and say:
"Absolutely, Absolutely, Absolutely...."

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do I find this website so funny?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whizzkid1982 wrote:
Of course, any half decent script editor would have spotted it and replaced it with "Harriet Jones" or "Mister Saxon", thus maintaining at least some semblance of internal continuity and logic. What the hell are these people being paid for, eh?

Ah, thus, is forever the problem when the head writer is the cr*p writer and god of the programme. No script editor can ever pull him up on any fault, continuity or otherwise, because to highlight one fault is to highlight them all. Anyone who does that in the current "Who camp" would be sacked and a more amenable script editor would take their place.

Unless the show is the vision of one person intending to tell a single story, the head writer and producer should not be the same person. How can the script editor sit between the writer and the producer when they're the same person without sitting on his lap?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Survivors/Doctor Who connection is viable because it explains why the earth in 2167 (or whenever) looks very low tech - it's been recovering from a pandemic that destroyed 2/3 of the population about 190 years ago
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretic Midlior wrote:
What ever happened to platonic love?


I think it's now illegal.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why in the name of the Gods of Ragnarok aren't Big Finish, or at least their writers, in charge of this series? It would be a fuck load better if they were. What we currently have is Hollyoaks in space. Wait, no, what we currently have is Hollyoaks. A show set in a local 21st century area full of people who can't act.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
Why in the name of the Gods of Ragnarok aren't Big Finish, or at least their writers, in charge of this series? It would be a fuck load better if they were. What we currently have is Hollyoaks in space. Wait, no, what we currently have is Hollyoaks. A show set in a local 21st century area full of people who can't act.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
G80TV wrote:
Why did the Doctor say he'd met Arthur Dent?


I don't necessarily have an issue with this; after all, the Doctor has met fictional characters before (cf: The Mind Robber).

Although I suspect that in this instance, it arose from the writer's lack of talent. A shame really as I think The Christmas Invasion is one of Davies's best pieces - aside from the usual shitticisms he feels the need to insert into every script.


Oh! I always thought the Arthur Dent line was just meant to be the Doctor making a joke! Oh well, i thought it was quite funny anyway... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why was Drax able to steel the Doctor's TARDIS when the Doctor, still in his eighth incarnation, unwittingly landed in Salford?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone explain to me why they did'nt bring back the real Cybermen ,and instead come up with these loud robotmen instead ,which have a really basic boring storyline to them (Crippled man in chair creates robot suits for peoples brains.........WOW) .

Doesn,t quite have the depth and scientific stroy-line created by Kit Pedler !
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabalom Glitz wrote:
,which have a really basic boring storyline to them (Crippled man in chair creates robot suits for peoples brains.........WOW) .!

Well it worked for Genesis of the Daleks, did it not?
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