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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Yeah ,but the whole Dalek story has depth ,especially Genesis of the Daleks (Skaro , Thals and the beginning of the Daleks and all that) .Im just saying they just rewrote the Cybermen ,and made them so basic .

What was wrong with the original Cybermen ?

Thev'e made the Cyberman history seem a little untidy now .
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gensis had the whole "need to survive" post war thing going for it, Alt Reality Nu Who Robotmen had was just rich bloke in crap 'steampunk' (because it has Zeppelins) thing want's everyone to be robots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabalom Glitz wrote:
What was wrong with the original Cybermen ?

Round here we've come to agree that Repugnant T Delusional is a self-loathing Doctor Who fan. Obviously, the costumes of the original Cybermen were so last century and they simply couldn't afford to link their brand new wonderful Cybusmen with them. Utterly.

Mad Mad Mad Davies and his cronies are such cunts. Mad Mad Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
Sabalom Glitz wrote:
What was wrong with the original Cybermen ?

Round here we've come to agree that Repugnant T Delusional is a self-loathing Doctor Who fan. Obviously, the costumes of the original Cybermen were so last century and they simply couldn't afford to link their brand new wonderful Cybusmen with them. Utterly.

Mad Mad Mad Davies and his cronies are such cunts. Mad Mad Mad


There was an interview last year where I believe Russell T. Davies made a "Freudian Slip" and revealed his real feelings about Doctor Who:

Quote:
'I�d love to do another nine o�clock drama. There�s a whole world of drama and emotion and honesty that has no place in Doctor Who. I once got very, very stuck writing an episode of Doctor Who and on that night I watched Peter Morgan�s Longford. I�m dying to do something that risky, that real. It was just so brilliant and there I was writing about the interior of a space ship. I thought, �What am I doing with my life?� Luckily, though,the space ship was fantastic.�

Telegraph Interview, 29/03/2008


Note how Davies didn't say "a whole world of subject matter"
(like depictions of sex, bad language and graphic violence)
that didn't belong in a family-orientated show. He's saying
DW shouldn't have "drama", "emotion" or "honesty". It shouldn't
be "risky" or "brillant". Obviously Doctor Who can't be real * Wink
but this might explain why Nu-Who misses the mark all the time-
RTD doesn't take it's seriously coz' it's sci-fi, and Davies has
internalised the tabloid view that sci-fi is rubbish only suitable
for the Simpson's Comic Book Guy.

*If you think DW is real, I suggest you lay off the illegal
substances. Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes because Babylon5 or New Battlestar wasn't series drama.

It's the whole idea I have about if the story is good and its well written no matter the setting or genre it will work.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IM in a bad mood and drunk ,i want to watch Dr Who ¬!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabalom Glitz wrote:
What was wrong with the original Cybermen ?

Thev'e made the Cyberman history seem a little untidy now .

Fathead T Davies unfortunately decided that Cybermen history in the Classic Series was ALREADY a little untidy(the fact that they had not one but two homeworlds meant his thicko audience may have had to count on more than one finger and this would have confused them!), and so like so many other things in RemakeWho he decided to re-invent them in to his own image as CybusMen instead to ditch what he deemed fit as to call "baggage".

Once again, this was purely the actions of a self-loathing fanboy, the type who upon watching the TVMovie couldn't just fucking sit still and watch it for what it was(the first Doctor Who story for 6 years), but had to repeatedly slag it off for the following 9 years like an overgrown fat toddler having a tantrum because it dared to mention some Classic Series continuity and then when it did stray from the established path to write it's own stamp on the series decided that this was blasphemy and it was all Paul McGanns fault and he should be immediately sacked.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VV. That's a pretty inflamatory quote. I'd not seen it before. It shows just how much contempt RTD has for the show.


I wonder if anyone's posted that on Gallifrey Base? It's been ages since I've seen a forum implode.

We should show it to Torchwoodwamdue and Miss Rani too.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand why RTDs choose to give the Cyberman a new back story, I dont 100% agree with the decision, but I understand it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The remake Daleks have a different backstory too, "ancient enemies of t'Time Lords." Nothing is consistent between the programmes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pex wrote:
Why did the Doctor agree to take Rose back in time to see her dead Dad in Father's Day? And then, when she missed seeing him, why did he agree to take her round again for a second go? Was the Blinovitch Limitation Effect not working that day?

What was he thinking of? Can you imagine any of the other Doctors agreeing to do even the first? They'd have responded with lapel-holding lectures, sad looks, patronising explanations, a soliloquy delivered to the opposite side of the camera, or shouty outrage, but they'd all have meant 'no'.

Up till that point it was (for sound narrative reasons) an absolute no-no for the Doctor to cross his own or his companions' path. Even when that meant not rescuing companions and other worthy people who'd been killed. What next? Travelling back to the Sandminer 3 days before the action of Robots of Death commences, and pushing Taron Capel over the side so that 'everybody lives'?


The reason is more than narrative. It's the grandfather paradox, which establishes that time cannot be changeable. At the end of the achingly painful Fathers day, Rose has changed history, and removed her reason for going back in the first place. So why does she go back if daddy never died alone?

In Doctor Who we stick with relativity. In the Reign of Terror the Doctor makes it clear to Ian that he should not try to kill Napoleon, they already know he will fail as they already know how Nappy's future pans out.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G80TV wrote:

The same with the "James Bond" reference. When filming "Rock" with Sean Connery, did Nicholas Cage call him "James Bond"? Did the director say "James, can you say this line differently?" No, they called him Sean Connery because that's his name.
Actually, his name's Thomas. He just thought Sean sounded more 'film star'.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pex wrote:
I can't say I'm outraged by the idea that DW shares a universe with Quatermass. (Just seems a bit odd that they never met during the early UNIT years).

And as to affairs in Liamland, I believe it's in fact semi-canon that DW and Blake's 7 share a universe, as Kaldor City (from Robots of Death) apparently turns up in some B7 audios or books or similar.
It's a character from B7 (psycho-strategist Carnell) who appears in the Kaldor City audios, a direct Who spin-off. But basically, yes. Terry Nation also considered Who and B7 to exist in the same universe; originally, the aliens who invaded Federation space at the end of B7's second series were to have been the Daleks, but the idea was vetoed.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony ingram wrote:
Pex wrote:
I can't say I'm outraged by the idea that DW shares a universe with Quatermass. (Just seems a bit odd that they never met during the early UNIT years).

And as to affairs in Liamland, I believe it's in fact semi-canon that DW and Blake's 7 share a universe, as Kaldor City (from Robots of Death) apparently turns up in some B7 audios or books or similar.
It's a character from B7 (psycho-strategist Carnell) who appears in the Kaldor City audios, a direct Who spin-off. But basically, yes. Terry Nation also considered Who and B7 to exist in the same universe; originally, the aliens who invaded Federation space at the end of B7's second series were to have been the Daleks, but the idea was vetoed.


That would be problematic. In Doctor Who throughout Earth's futurehistory teleports are a common technology. In Blake's 7 they are a concept never fully realised until the Altas develop one. The Dalek idea was vetoed, probably to keep the two shows separate.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me wrote:
tony ingram wrote:
Pex wrote:
I can't say I'm outraged by the idea that DW shares a universe with Quatermass. (Just seems a bit odd that they never met during the early UNIT years).

And as to affairs in Liamland, I believe it's in fact semi-canon that DW and Blake's 7 share a universe, as Kaldor City (from Robots of Death) apparently turns up in some B7 audios or books or similar.
It's a character from B7 (psycho-strategist Carnell) who appears in the Kaldor City audios, a direct Who spin-off. But basically, yes. Terry Nation also considered Who and B7 to exist in the same universe; originally, the aliens who invaded Federation space at the end of B7's second series were to have been the Daleks, but the idea was vetoed.


That would be problematic. In Doctor Who throughout Earth's futurehistory teleports are a common technology. In Blake's 7 they are a concept never fully realised until the Altas develop one. The Dalek idea was vetoed, probably to keep the two shows separate.
B7 is set in the far future after society has collapsed and effectively been restarted. I don't think the loss of teleport technology is a stretch of the imagination too far, really. Earths future history as depicted in Who appears to go in cycles of rise & fall, if you look at the whole picture.
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