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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a one-off what-if? story, Inferno is fine but having things set in one of presumably countless alternative realities is not something I think works.

If you have multiple alternative timelines running and anything and everything is possible, the drama is sucked out of everything. Characters become disposable and nothing matters any more.

I disagree.

It certainly did Sliders no harm and everyone missed Prefessor Arturo when he died.


Did the main characters in Sliders meet alternate versions of themselves each week?

Did Sliders run for 20-odd years with this format?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moderator General wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Moderator General wrote:
As a one-off what-if? story, Inferno is fine but having things set in one of presumably countless alternative realities is not something I think works.

If you have multiple alternative timelines running and anything and everything is possible, the drama is sucked out of everything. Characters become disposable and nothing matters any more.

I disagree.

It certainly did Sliders no harm and everyone missed Prefessor Arturo when he died.


Did the main characters in Sliders meet alternate versions of themselves each week?

Did Sliders run for 20-odd years with this format?

Very few series have had the durability of Doctor Who, but 5 years (which Sliders ran for) is a respectable enough innings for a sci-fi series, many of which barely last beyond their third series.

Doctor Who has barely touched upon the subject of alternate time-lines or universes in it's huge history, only a couple of times which I can think of in the Classic Series and once in the Remake Series. A somewhat strange omission for a series which is supposed to be science fiction.

Star Trek has delved in to such subject matter more and it certainly hasn't harmed their characterisations.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With two incarnations left after Smith, they could easily keep the franchise going for another 14 or 15 years with the right actors.
Like JNT did? Laughing Laughing

JNT probably could have done had Grade not interfered by sacking Colin Baker and undermining the whole production by consistently throwing spanners at it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps not hiring and firing every actor within 5 seconds and employing fly by night cowboys in the role could be a good start?

Agreed, it would be a good start but alas with modern TV that's probably never going to happen.
The original series changed Doctors on average every 3.7 years so at that rate the show would be winding up next year with the 13th incarnation, if it had run continuously.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Moderator General wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Moderator General wrote:
As a one-off what-if? story, Inferno is fine but having things set in one of presumably countless alternative realities is not something I think works.

If you have multiple alternative timelines running and anything and everything is possible, the drama is sucked out of everything. Characters become disposable and nothing matters any more.

I disagree.

It certainly did Sliders no harm and everyone missed Prefessor Arturo when he died.


Did the main characters in Sliders meet alternate versions of themselves each week?

Did Sliders run for 20-odd years with this format?

Very few series have had the durability of Doctor Who, but 5 years (which Sliders ran for) is a respectable enough innings for a sci-fi series, many of which barely last beyond their third series.

Doctor Who has barely touched upon the subject of alternate time-lines or universes in it's huge history, only a couple of times which I can think of in the Classic Series and once in the Remake Series. A somewhat strange omission for a series which is supposed to be science fiction.

Star Trek has delved in to such subject matter more and it certainly hasn't harmed their characterisations.
But Dr WHo appeals to a wider base than sci-fi shows like Sliders. To be successful Who should never restrict itself in the way you foolishly suggest.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Dr WHo appeals to a wider base than sci-fi shows like Sliders. To be successful Who should never restrict itself in the way you foolishly suggest.

I didn't suggest it should restrict itself, but use the sci-fi tools at its disposal to further the franchise rather than fall back on whimsy Disney Peter Pan gold magic life-giving fairy dust childish nonsense to extend the Doctors regeneration cycle.

Star Trek is a hugely successful Sci-Fi show, probably more so than Doctor Who because of it's Big Screen movie successes too, and that has delved more in to the realms of alternate realities than Who ever has.
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RobFilth wrote:
Moderator General wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Moderator General wrote:
As a one-off what-if? story, Inferno is fine but having things set in one of presumably countless alternative realities is not something I think works.

If you have multiple alternative timelines running and anything and everything is possible, the drama is sucked out of everything. Characters become disposable and nothing matters any more.

I disagree.

It certainly did Sliders no harm and everyone missed Prefessor Arturo when he died.


Did the main characters in Sliders meet alternate versions of themselves each week?

Did Sliders run for 20-odd years with this format?

Very few series have had the durability of Doctor Who, but 5 years (which Sliders ran for) is a respectable enough innings for a sci-fi series, many of which barely last beyond their third series.

Doctor Who has barely touched upon the subject of alternate time-lines or universes in it's huge history, only a couple of times which I can think of in the Classic Series and once in the Remake Series. A somewhat strange omission for a series which is supposed to be science fiction.

Star Trek has delved in to such subject matter more and it certainly hasn't harmed their characterisations.


I'm still hoping post 2005 new who turns out to be in a parallel world where everyone and everything is on acid.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course NuWho has unfortunately seeded the possibility of an alternative timeline with that dreary Pete's world and that naff Doctor halfsquee. It will only take the click of the keyboard for Rectum or Muffheid to give him time travel and hey presto! The gurning git and Wose are back!

Excuse me, I think I'm going to b... bleuuuuuuchhhhhh!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a thought, if there are an infinite number of parallel universes, what if the series were to follow the adventures of a parallel Doctor after 'our' Doctor dies? Maybe the point of divergence could be when the Second Doctor chose one of the bodies offered to him by the Time Lords at the end of The War Games.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still hoping post 2005 new who turns out to be in a parallel world where everyone and everything is on acid.

Of course it's an alternative reality when The Doctor starts off as being a Salford Binman.

I personally think Richard E Grants 9th Doctor is probably the correct and more consistent linage off from McGanns 8th Doctor myself, at least UNIT were called The United Nations Intelligence Taskforce in the universe which he inhabited, unlike Fatheads abhorational one.
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Tash wrote:
Here's a thought, if there are an infinite number of parallel universes, what if the series were to follow the adventures of a parallel Doctor after 'our' Doctor dies? Maybe the point of divergence could be when the Second Doctor chose one of the bodies offered to him by the Time Lords at the end of The War Games.

Well we do know that there are already THREE 9th Doctors.

Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.
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RobFilth wrote:
Tash wrote:
Here's a thought, if there are an infinite number of parallel universes, what if the series were to follow the adventures of a parallel Doctor after 'our' Doctor dies? Maybe the point of divergence could be when the Second Doctor chose one of the bodies offered to him by the Time Lords at the end of The War Games.

Well we do know that there are already THREE 9th Doctors.

Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.


Atkinson was a parody for comic relief (written by Moffhead no less) and Eccleston wasn't the Doctor, he was some other Time Lord who stole the TARDIS off Paul McGann and left him chained up somewhere while he buggered off to 21st century London to chat up some dumb Essex blond before killing himself by draining all the magic Daleks-go-away fairy dust from said chavette.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
munkus wrote:
I'm still hoping post 2005 new who turns out to be in a parallel world where everyone and everything is on acid.

Of course it's an alternative reality when The Doctor starts off as being a Salford Binman.

I personally think Richard E Grants 9th Doctor is probably the correct and more consistent linage off from McGanns 8th Doctor myself, at least UNIT were called The United Nations Intelligence Taskforce in the universe which he inhabited, unlike Fatheads abhorational one.

Yeah I can go with the idea that NuWho is an alternative timeline - it has ignored most of the near-future storylines of classic Who which should have altered the earth depicted in the current series - such as the Britsh Space Programme of the 1960s and England having a king and a five quid coin around about now.
Although hasn't NuWho permanently crossed into another timeline - haven't Cybusmen replaced Mondosian cybermen?

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Eccleston wasn't the Doctor, he was some other Time Lord who stole the TARDIS off Paul McGann and left him chained up somewhere while he buggered off to 21st century London to chat up some dumb Essex blond before killing himself by draining all the magic Daleks-go-away fairy dust from said chavette.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smug Blue Man wrote:
Yeah I can go with the idea that NuWho is an alternative timeline - it has ignored most of the near-future storylines of classic Who which should have altered the earth depicted in the current series - such as the British Space Programme of the 1970s and England having a king and a five quid coin around about now.


You should see the article on the Queen on the Doctor Who Wiki, they've attempted to come up with an explanation involving Her Majesty abdicating in favour of her son only to reclaim the throne a few years later.
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Tash wrote:
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Yeah I can go with the idea that NuWho is an alternative timeline - it has ignored most of the near-future storylines of classic Who which should have altered the earth depicted in the current series - such as the British Space Programme of the 1970s and England having a king and a five quid coin around about now.


You should see the article on the Queen on the Doctor Who Wiki, they've attempted to coe up with an explanation involving Her Majesty abdicating in favour of her son only to reclaim the throne a few years later.


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