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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smug Blue Man wrote:
Tash wrote:
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Yeah I can go with the idea that NuWho is an alternative timeline - it has ignored most of the near-future storylines of classic Who which should have altered the earth depicted in the current series - such as the British Space Programme of the 1970s and England having a king and a five quid coin around about now.


You should see the article on the Queen on the Doctor Who Wiki, they've attempted to coe up with an explanation involving Her Majesty abdicating in favour of her son only to reclaim the throne a few years later.


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I think the fact that Russell T Fatheads series is an Unbound Spin-Off takes a lot less explanation and is factually closer to the truth.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Besides, the 13 lives rule doesn't mean the end of the series.

They could just bring it back with the 8th Doctor and give us all a proper direct continuation of the Classic Series rather than the Unbound rubbish we've been served up for the last 6 years.


A better idea would a reboot of the "Doctor Who" concept, a la
the Nolan Batman films, Abrams' Star Trek or the new Battlestar
Galactica. Start with a new Doctor on his first incarnation, with no connection to the Hartnell-McCoy-Smith Doctor, and do a new DW series with no
connection to past series.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still hoping post 2005 new who turns out to be in a parallel world where everyone and everything is on acid.


That would have to be the nastiest browner-than-brown acid for the worst bum trip ever known to human consciousness...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How would having multiple versions of the same incarnation instead of single future incarnations be an improvement? That would devalue the character even more.

Really?

And did Inferno devalue the characters of The Brigadier and Liz Shaw too then?


As a one-off what-if? story, Inferno is fine but having things set in one of presumably countless alternative realities is not something I think works.

If you have multiple alternative timelines running and anything and everything is possible, the drama is sucked out of everything. Characters become disposable and nothing matters any more.



Not necessarily-the second season of "Fringe" showed you could handle
a single alternative timeline with duplicate versions of the main characters. However, it would have to be carefully scripted (the later
seasons of "Heroes" stands as a Dreadful Warning of what happens if
you don't write this idea carefully) and as Rani pointed out, I think such a conceit might to too complicated for a show aimed at the general public as opposed to
sci-fi fans.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vector-Victor wrote:
A better idea would a reboot of the "Doctor Who" concept, a la
the Nolan Batman films, Abrams' Star Trek or the new Battlestar
Galactica. Start with a new Doctor on his first incarnation, with no connection to the Hartnell-McCoy-Smith Doctor, and do a new DW series with no
connection to past series.


That's sort of similar to what I proposed earlier, my idea would be set in a parallel universe in which the Second Doctor chose one of the regenerations offered to him by the Time Lords and the series starts off following an alternate Third Doctor (possibly with a reprise from the end of The War Games as the pre-credits sequence for the first episode), then the producers can do what they want because in 1969 the 'rules' established later on were still many years away from on-screen realisation, they could even change the name of the Doctor's home planet if they wanted.
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I'm sorry, but Scream of the Shalka was a load of wank, Richard E. Grant or no.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
munkus wrote:
I'm still hoping post 2005 new who turns out to be in a parallel world where everyone and everything is on acid.


That would have to be the nastiest browner-than-brown acid for the worst bum trip ever known to human consciousness...


Hullo, this is Carlton your doorman.

There is some bad brown acid in circulation. Don't take it unless you want The Who, Sha-na-na, and Ten Years After to sound better than they normally do. Peace, love, and enjoy your jobs at IBM on Monday, man.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.


Are you seriously counting Rowan Atkinson? In that case, Fred Harris is the fifth Doctor. Or is it Don Maclean?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.


Are you seriously counting Rowan Atkinson? In that case, Fred Harris is the fifth Doctor. Or is it Don Maclean?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.


Are you seriously counting Rowan Atkinson? In that case, Fred Harris is the fifth Doctor. Or is it Don Maclean?

The Radio Times (a mouthpiece for the BBC) boldly proclaimed Rowan Atkinson as being the 9th Doctor when "Curse Of Fatal Death" was made.

"The original you might say!" Very Happy

I'd say Rowans portrayal of The Doctor was a darn sight closer to the character than fucking Ecclesbones Salford Binman anyway.

In fact, I would say "Curse Of Fatal Death" was like some hard hitting hard-edged non-nonsense sci-fi story compared to some of the trash Fathead T Davies has dished up in the last 5 years...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vector-Victor wrote:

Not necessarily-the second season of "Fringe" showed you could handle
a single alternative timeline with duplicate versions of the main characters. However, it would have to be carefully scripted (the later
seasons of "Heroes" stands as a Dreadful Warning of what happens if
you don't write this idea carefully) and as Rani pointed out, I think such a conceit might to too complicated for a show aimed at the general public as opposed to sci-fi fans.


I've not seen Fringe. But it seems to me that there are inherent problems if you've got multiple versions of the character floating around simultaneously.

Firstly there's no particular jeopardy when they're in danger and no great loss if one is killed. Admittedly, giving your main character the opportunity to regenerate creates this problem, and the conceit of ongoing characters in serials obviously leads to the expectation that they'll survive but having multiple versions from different timelines just seems to exacerbate it.

Secondly, these contrivance-heavy notions tend to go up their own arses and nobody knows what's real and/or important anymore (as evidence I'd point you towards DC's Ultimate Final Biggest Ever-Crisis on Infinite Earths Until We Do A Bigger One Next Tuesday).

As for Heroes, I gave up at the end of the first series because it seemed obvious that - like Who - all these promised earth-shattering revelations were going to be a dose of old Badwolfs.

As has been said on here many times, just concentrate on telling good discrete stories. That's hard enough for good writers and clearly too hard for the like of Davies and Chinball.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:

In fact, I would say "Curse Of Fatal Death" was like some hard hitting hard-edged non-nonsense sci-fi story compared to some of the trash Fathead T Davies has dished up in the last 5 years...


To be fair Rob, In The Night Garden has served up more hard-edged sci-fi than New Who.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
In fact, I would say "Curse Of Fatal Death" was like some hard hitting hard-edged non-nonsense sci-fi story compared to some of the trash Fathead T Davies has dished up in the last 5 years...


I'd say last season (the finale in particular) was little more than a slo-mo replay of the Children In Need skit, evidencing the dearth of Moffat's ideas.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
In fact, I would say "Curse Of Fatal Death" was like some hard hitting hard-edged non-nonsense sci-fi story compared to some of the trash Fathead T Davies has dished up in the last 5 years...


I'd say last season (the finale in particular) was little more than a slo-mo replay of the Children In Need skit,

I'd say more like the last 5 series of Pooh-Who have been actually.
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