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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not necessarily-the second season of "Fringe" showed you could handle
a single alternative timeline with duplicate versions of the main characters. However, it would have to be carefully scripted (the later
seasons of "Heroes" stands as a Dreadful Warning of what happens if
you don't write this idea carefully) and as Rani pointed out, I think such a conceit might to too complicated for a show aimed at the general public as opposed to sci-fi fans.

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I've not seen Fringe. But it seems to me that there are inherent problems if you've got multiple versions of the character floating around simultaneously.


There's only two universes in "Fringe", and the alternate versions of
each character have been hostile to each other so far (the main
villain is the alternate version of one of the main characters).

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Firstly there's no particular jeopardy when they're in danger and no great loss if one is killed. Admittedly, giving your main character the opportunity to regenerate creates this problem, and the conceit of ongoing characters in serials obviously leads to the expectation that they'll survive but having multiple versions from different timelines just seems to exacerbate it.

Secondly, these contrivance-heavy notions tend to go up their own arses and nobody knows what's real and/or important anymore (as evidence I'd point you towards DC's Ultimate Final Biggest Ever-Crisis on Infinite Earths Until We Do A Bigger One Next Tuesday).


There would be a suspension-of-disbelief problem with several versions
of Hero X-"Don't worry if Captain Triumph dies, we'll get Parallel-Captain
Triumph to replace him!". And the comics industry seems to be full
of this bad "contrivance-heavy notions", like
DC's critically-savaged "Countdown to Final Crisis".

I remember reading a woman complaining how the "One More Day" Spiderman storyline had ruined everything that made the character appealing.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, after everything RTD and Moffat (why are people still giving him an easy ride?) have done to completly screw up Doctor Who, does a change to the regeneration rules (in a spin off series which will only be seen by a tiny fraction of the audience of Doctor Who) really make much difference?

Storm in a teacup, really.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Doctor Who has barely touched upon the subject of alternate time-lines or universes in it's huge history, only a couple of times which I can think of in the Classic Series and once in the Remake Series. A somewhat strange omission for a series which is supposed to be science fiction.


And perhaps there's a good reason for that. (I assume you're not a fan of Trigger's CybusMen?)

RobFilth wrote:
Star Trek has delved in to such subject matter more and it certainly hasn't harmed their characterisations.


How often has it done this? I can think of the Spock's Beard episode offhand but that seems like their equivalent of Inferno.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moderator General wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Doctor Who has barely touched upon the subject of alternate time-lines or universes in it's huge history, only a couple of times which I can think of in the Classic Series and once in the Remake Series. A somewhat strange omission for a series which is supposed to be science fiction.


And perhaps there's a good reason for that. (I assume you're not a fan of Trigger's CybusMen?)

To be honest I don't find the Cybusmen as disagreeable as some, at least there was a good reason for them not being the same as Classic Series Cybermen and the parallel world was an off-shoot from the post International Electromatics Invasion where the technology left over was seized up by Trigger.

I find it a more agreeable re-envision because it's roots are firmly in Classic Series continuity, unlike the appalling Star Trek Silurians or the Fatleks.

RobFilth wrote:
Star Trek has delved in to such subject matter more and it certainly hasn't harmed their characterisations.


How often has it done this? I can think of the Spock's Beard episode offhand but that seems like their equivalent of Inferno.[/quote]
Several stories of Deep Space 9 took place within a parrallel mirrored dimension and so too did some episodes of Voyager.(from memory)

I couldn't tell you exactly how many times as I'm not that much of a Star Trek buff, but it's certainly more than Doctor Who has done.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegade wrote:
Storm in a teacup, really.


True, but what I dislike is how it feels as if breaking the regeneration limit is being done just for the hell of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobFilth wrote:
Laughing Spam Fritter wrote:
RobFilth wrote:
Rowan, REG and Ecclesbone.


Are you seriously counting Rowan Atkinson? In that case, Fred Harris is the fifth Doctor. Or is it Don Maclean?

The Radio Times (a mouthpiece for the BBC) boldly proclaimed Rowan Atkinson as being the 9th Doctor when "Curse Of Fatal Death" was made.

"The original you might say!" Very Happy

I'd say Rowans portrayal of The Doctor was a darn sight closer to the character than fucking Ecclesbones Salford Binman anyway.

In fact, I would say "Curse Of Fatal Death" was like some hard hitting hard-edged non-nonsense sci-fi story compared to some of the trash Fathead T Davies has dished up in the last 5 years...


Compared to what RTD has dished up, Les Dennis' Family Fortunes was more hard hitting, hard edged non nonsense sci fi.


Also the real 9th Doctor is Nick Briggs as performed in the Audio Visuals and two BBV audios. I know some people can't stand Briggs either, but he's a hell of a lot more palatable than Eccleston, REG or Rowan Atkinson, and thee stories are generally good. The BBV ones especially. After this immortality crap, this is now my canon.
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