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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rigsby wrote:
Chancellor Valium wrote:
Where are The Wrath of Khan and Flash Gordon?
B3 wrote:
Star Wars - ruined American cinema.

This is an interesting comment. This is a grammatical remark. (That was a grammatical remark.)

Err. More seriously, could you expand on the comment? I'm curious as to what ruining American cinema means, here.

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It's not that I don't consider it to be a good film - it's just not a great as people say it is. I can take or leave Kubrik's stuff, to be honest.

One of the massive problems with 2001, is, I think, so massive that very, very few people spot it: for most of the film, nothing happens. And this is then dressed up as profundity, with some nice snatches of 19th century music and (headache-inducing) excerpts of Ligeti.

The film's storyboard can be summed up with:

PART I: Monkeys.
i. Monkeys.
ii. Monolith.
iii. Monkeys smash bones.

PART II: PIGS IN SPAAAAAAAAACE
i. Zer ships off zer space, vot vunderful music zey make.
ii. Pointless telephone conversation and other banalities
iii. OOH, LOOK - THERE'S A PLOT.
iv. Wait, no - just more twirling ships.
v. BUT MORE PLOT.
vi. Whoops, my mistake.

PART III: SPERM-SHAPED SPAAAAACE-SHIPS IN SPAAAAAAACE
i. Hello, Dave.
ii. I'm just a little anxious, Dave.
iii. I seem to be killing people, Dave.
iv. Please, don't kill me, Dave.
v. Goodbye, Dave.

PART IV: JUPITER AND BEYOND PRETENSION
i. Who builds a prop like this? Find out as we go... through the monolith.
ii. My God, it's full of... is that Tom Baker?
iii. Welcome to my newest art installation. I call it... aging. It's... very profound. Very moving. Movingly profound. It's about love. And people. And people we love. I think you should pay lots of money for it.

PART V: BABIES IN SPAAAAAAAAACE.
i. Er, that's it.
ii. THE END

alternately

http://www.kubrick2001.com


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today's Guardian has its list of horror films:

1. Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
2. Rosemary's Baby (Roman Nonceski, 1968)
3. Don't Look Now (Nicolas Roeg, 1973)
4. The Wicker Man (Robin Hardy, 1973)
5. The Shining (Stanley Baldrick, 1980)
6. The Exorcist (Mark Kermode, 1973)
7. Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (FW Murnan, 1922)
8. Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)
9. Vampyr (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1932)
10. Peeping Tom (Michael Powell, 1960)
11. The Innocents (Jack Clayton, 1961)
12. Ring (Hideo Nakata, 1998)
13. The Haunting (Robert Wise, 1963)
14. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Cooper, 1974)
15. The Dead of Night (Alberto Cavalcanti, Charles Crichton, Basil
Dearden, and Robert Hamer, 1945)
16. The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (Robert Wiene, 1920)
17. Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978)
18. Bride of Frankenstein (James Whale, 1935)
19. Les Diaboliques (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1955)
20. Dracula (Terence Fisher, 1958)
21. Audition (Takashi Milke, 1999)
22. The Blair Witch Project (Daniel Myrick and Eduardo Sánchez,
1999)
23. The Evil Dead/The Evil Dead II (Sam Raimi, 1981/1987)
24. Carrie (Brian De Palma, 1976)
25. Les Vampires (Louis Feuillade, 1915)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spose the horror list was doomed to be a bit more uneven than the sci fi list. I disagree with the majority of those really. I can understand the rationale for inclusion, but do not necessarily agree that most of the films are any good!

From that list I am partial to:

Psycho
the shining
nosferatu
Vampyr
The cabinet
Halloween
Bride of Frankenstein
Dracula
Evil dead

Not a very satisfying list for me really. I have never particularly seen the point of audition and the ring. There is far superior Japanese cinema out there. Ah well, its all subjective I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
1. Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
4. The Wicker Man (Robin Hardy, 1973)
10. Peeping Tom (Michael Powell, 1960)


These 3 films aren't 'horror' films. And Psycho is really overated.

B3 wrote:
3. Don't Look Now (Nicolas Roeg, 1973)


Another totally overated film.

B3 wrote:
5. The Shining (Stanley Baldrick, 1980)


But neither are as overated as this one. One of the most over-hyped films ever, with an utterly laughable performance from Nicholson. A one trick pony actor, who was born to play The Joker.

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14. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Cooper, 1974)


The death of imagination began with films like this piece of shit.

B3 wrote:
17. Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978)


Carpenter has only ever made one good film, and it wasn't this one, it was The Thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ludders wrote:
B3 wrote:
1. Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
4. The Wicker Man (Robin Hardy, 1973)
10. Peeping Tom (Michael Powell, 1960)


These 3 films aren't 'horror' films. And Psycho is really overated.

B3 wrote:
3. Don't Look Now (Nicolas Roeg, 1973)


Another totally overated film.

B3 wrote:
5. The Shining (Stanley Baldrick, 1980)


But neither are as overated as this one. One of the most over-hyped films ever, with an utterly laughable performance from Nicholson. A one trick pony actor, who was born to play The Joker.

B3 wrote:
14. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Cooper, 1974)


The death of imagination began with films like this piece of shit.

B3 wrote:
17. Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978)


Carpenter has only ever made one good film, and it wasn't this one, it was The Thing.


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I agree with some of what you're saying there. I am not a massive fan of the wicker man, the folksey music in it drives me fucking insane, its got reasonable perfomances by most of the cast though. I would probably argue that it is a horror film though, woodward does get burnt alive by christopher Lee and freinds at the end, so i'd probably say it is horror.
I also agree that texa chainsaw is epicaly overated. I think the hype probably comes from it being banned in the UK for all those years. I can remember when I was very young it was talked about in the playground as the scariest film ever, but no one had actually seen it. Needless to say, it was a let down.
However, I would defend the shining and halloween, both feel good horror classics, for me anyway Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the most over-hyped films ever, with an utterly laughable performance from Nicholson. A one trick pony actor, who was born to play The Joker.


Nah, Cesar Romero was born to play the Joker.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qwerty123 wrote:
I would probably argue that it is a horror film though, woodward does get burnt alive by christopher Lee and freinds at the end, so i'd probably say it is horror.


A barn full of people are burned alive in Come and See, but no-one's saying that's a horror film. Wink
I think it's probably a bit of a grey area, but i just don't see it as a horror film. I quite like it, (apart from the god-awful folksy music) but if i had to label it i'd be more tempted to call it a thriller.
Similarly, Psycho & Peeping Tom, which to me are psychological thrillers, rather than actual 'horror' films.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I suppose I can go along with that. Thriller is a fair enough way to classify it. I suppose its the occult trappings that make me percieve it as horror.

I would probably put psycho in a similar area between horror and thriller. Its probably the shower scene and the desicated corpse that gets it the horror tag. I do like the way he builds up the girl who has stolen the dough as the protagonist of the film and then has her killed off early in pulling the carpet out from under the viewer and leaving a vacuum behind. Always dug that gob of spit in the face of cinematic conventions ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Psycho is a horror then wtf is Se7en & why isn't it on the list
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Liam_ wrote:
If Psycho is a horror then wtf is Se7en & why isn't it on the list


My take: Horror films strive to produce an effect of fear or revulsion in the viewer, which is why horror can include psychological thrillers like Psycho,
dark fantasy like The Exorcist and science fiction like Alien.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that i've had a moan, i'll just mention my favourite films on the list. Very Happy

Dracula (Terence Fisher, 1958)
The Exorcist (Mark Kermode, 1973) << Laughing
Ring (Hideo Nakata, 1998)
Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)
Bride of Frankenstein (James Whale, 1935)
The Innocents (Jack Clayton, 1961)
Carrie (Brian De Palma, 1976)
Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (FW Murnan, 1922)

Also quite good:

The Haunting (Robert Wise, 1963)
The Blair Witch Project (Daniel Myrick and Eduardo Sánchez,
1999)
Audition (Takashi Milke, 1999)
Rosemary's Baby (Roman Nonceski, 1968)
Vampyr (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1932)
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One of the most over-hyped films ever, with an utterly laughable performance from Nicholson. A one trick pony actor, who was born to play The Joker.


Nah, Cesar Romero was born to play the Joker.
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qwerty123 wrote:
I have never particularly seen the point of audition and the ring. There is far superior Japanese cinema out there. Ah well, it's all subjective I guess.


Any recommendations?
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