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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: The Guardian's Greatest Films of All Time Reply with quote

The Guardian has been running one of its occasional and pointless "The Greatest..." series over the last week. The most recent one is about film. They've been doing it by genre, and today's is Sci-Fi and Fantasy. Consequently, I thought it may be interesting to discuss here.

1. 2001:A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
2. Metropolis (Fritz Lang, 1927)
3. Blade Runner (Ridley Scott, 1982)
4. Alien (Ridley Scott, 1979)
5. The Wizard of Oz (Victor Fleming, 1939)
6. Solaris (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1972)
7. ET: The Extra-Terrestrial (Steven Spielberg, 1982)
8. Spirited Away (Hayo Miyazaki, 2001)
9. Star Wars (George Lucarse, 1977)
10. King Kong (Merlan C Cooper and Ernest B Schoedsack, 1933)
11. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Steven Spoelberg, 1977)
12. The Terminator/Terminator 2: Judgment Day (James Cameron, 1984/1991)
13. The Matrix (The Wachowskis, 1999)
14. Alphaville (Jean-Luc Goddard, 1965)
15. Back to The Future (Robert Zemeckis, 1985)
16. Planet of the Apes (Franklin J Schaffner, 1968)
17. Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985)
18. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Peter Jackson, 2001-2003)
19. Dark Star (John Carpenter, 1974)
20. The Day the Earth Stood Still (Robert Wise, 1951)
21. Edward Scissorhands (Tim Burton, 1990)
22. Akira (Katsuhiro Otomo, 1988)
23. The Princess Bride (Rob Reiner, 1987)
24. Pan's Labyrinth (Guillermo del Toro, 2006)
25. Starship Troopers (Paul Verhoeven, 1997)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1967 Hammer film of Quatermass and the Pit kicks the living shit out of most of those films, and why the fucking hell did they put The Wizard of Oz in the science fiction category?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 1967 Hammer film of Quatermass and the Pit kicks the living shit out of most of those films, and why the fucking hell did they put The Wizard of Oz in the science fiction category?


Perhaps because it's a great film with fantasy elements.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the following to be shit from that list:
ET ( I would rather sit through the porn version, ET the vagina)

Close encounter doesnt really need to be in there either.
Edward scissorhands is a load of old glop.

But the rest of the list isnt bad imo. I didnt see 'the thing in there so it was obviously compiled by a fuckwitt, and also no plan 9, but you cant have everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the first time that ET porn has appeared on here Laughing the weirdest bit is when all the people in period costume are waving bye bye to ET, who is crying and shuffling away...


I'd agree with most of that list, apart from ET, Star Wars (Lucarse? Laughing ), Pan's Labrynth (visually striking yes, but much else?), Starship Troopers (fun but shit, be honest) & Close Encounters (imo one of the most overrated films ever, so fucking boring). I love Back to the Future, but surely it's more of a family comedy than a sci fi?

I like Star Wars, but Episode IV is just a tatty kid's movie, let's be honest. I've never understood how it makes the top end of these "most well made films ever" lists. The Empire Strikes Back is the only classic star wars movie if we're taking the rose tinted fanboy specs off.

WHERE IS CHILDREN OF MEN? Or was I the only one who liked that? I though that film was superb, definitely in my top ten sci fi. It's better than bloody starship troopers anyroad.

I agree The Thing (82) should be in there. Plan 9 is not as bad as people say, I can watch it again and again (unlike close encounters).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Liam_ wrote:
Not the first time that ET porn has appeared on here Laughing the weirdest bit is when all the people in period costume are waving bye bye to ET, who is crying and shuffling away...


I'd agree with most of that list, apart from ET, Star Wars (Lucarse? Laughing ), Pan's Labrynth (visually striking yes, but much else?), Starship Troopers (fun but shit, be honest) & Close Encounters (imo one of the most overrated films ever, so fucking boring). I love Back to the Future, but surely it's more of a family comedy than a sci fi?

I like Star Wars, but Episode IV is just a tatty kid's movie, let's be honest. I've never understood how it makes the top end of these "most well made films ever" lists. The Empire Strikes Back is the only classic star wars movie if we're taking the rose tinted fanboy specs off.

WHERE IS CHILDREN OF MEN? Or was I the only one who liked that? I though that film was superb, definitely in my top ten sci fi. It's better than bloody starship troopers anyroad.

I agree The Thing (82) should be in there. Plan 9 is not as bad as people say, I can watch it again and again (unlike close encounters).


Yeah man, the porn ET is pretty jarring. Its one I tend to pull out when people are high, lol. The Turkish version is far better than the original as well.

Im glad im not the only one who thinks close encounters is gash. It bored me rigid as a kid, but I knew it was sci fi so I carried on with it. I tried it again as an adult and didnt see what the big deal was. Meh.
A mate showed me children of men during a drinking session and it wasnt at all bad, I didnt give it my full attention as I was a bit wasted, but it left a generaly good impression, so i would watch it again.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Liam_ wrote:
WHERE IS CHILDREN OF MEN? Or was I the only one who liked that? I though that film was superb, definitely in my top ten sci fi. It's better than bloody starship troopers anyroad.

I watched that purely because Michael Caine was in it, and I absolutely loved it, easily the best film of 2006.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really good... that 6 minute+ shot during the battle in the refugee camp Shocked blatantly a couple of sly cuts here and there, but still very impressive.

The book is worth a read too, the film is just set within the universe laid down by the book, it's pretty much a different story.

A very scary & believable vision of Britain on the brink of collapse & in the throes of authoritarianism

Michael Caine's character is amusing too, supposedly an aged generation Y, a cranky old lefty who smokes dope and listens to Aphe twin & Roots manuva Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My my, an anime in the Top 10! And it beat Stars Wars Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, Tarkovsky's Solaris is far superior to the rest of that list.

2001 - a hugely ovverrated film by a hugely overrated director.
Metropolis - brilliant.
Blade Runner - not bad for that sort of thing.
Alien - not bad for that sort of thing.
Wizard of Oz - delightfully numinous.
ET -schmaltzy shit.
Spirited Away - never seen it.
Star Wars - ruined American cinema.
King Kong - great stuff.
Close Encounters - shite.
Terminator/Terminator II - against my better judgment, I quite like these.
The Matrix - one of the worst films I've ever seen (lesson: don't take recommendations from post-modernists).
Alphaville - hilariously brilliant in a shit way. Not one of Goddard's best, but great fun in a nouveau vague meets J-PS in outer space way.
Back to the Future - good clean teenage Oedipal fun, I suppose.
Planet of the Apes - good stuff, and of course, the ending is hugely iconic (at least to some).
Brazil - very funny.
Lord of the Rings - I once tried to watch the first of these and it made me feel physically sick.
Dark Star - the stoned, much better 2001.
The Day the Earth Stood Still - epochal.
Edward Scissorhands - ermm.
Aikira - not seen it.
The Princess Bride - not seen it.
Pan's Labyrinth - not my thing at all.
Starship Troopers - watch it with the commentary: Verhoeven is hilarious.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
Spirited Away - never seen it.


Essential family viewing.

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Akira - not seen it.


Pretty, but damn near incomprehensible.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't get why people hate The Matrix... I thought it was a nice consolidation of postwar scifi archetypes/cliches, the universe it is set within is pretty cool as well
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outline of sci-fi/fantasy film:

man (played by Chesney Shit) falls into wormhole and is trapped inside an album by Narada Michael Walden.

Directed by George P Dreck
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_Liam_ wrote:
I still don't get why people hate The Matrix... I thought it was a nice consolidation of postwar scifi archetypes/cliches, the universe it is set within is pretty cool as well


Im with you on the matrix. I watched them at the cinema, have them on DVD and thoroughly enjoy them. I dont really get a lot of the hatred people have for them, but then thats just me I guess.
I saw the third one at the London IMAX and I can tell you it was absolutely flooring (in a good way).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B3 wrote:
Of course, Tarkovsky's Solaris is far superior to the rest of that list.

2001 - a hugely ovverrated film by a hugely overrated director.


I definitely disagree with you on Kubrik and 2001! Kubrik's 60s and 70s work are pretty awesome imo. Amongst the finest 20th century cinema. He has a distinctive and recognisabe style and a, imo, profound understanding of how to make an excellent film.

I didnt like 2001 much when I was younger, but its minimalist aesthetic totaly does it for me and the pay off scenes at the end are epic!!

So there! Laughing
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