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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fascinating stuff Laughing, but getting the name wrong was my error Very Happy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/3182429.stm


Ok, then I got it. Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Ian nonsense from Gormless Bastards from yesterday. He had another fit that locked yet another GB thread.

Apparently, its very, very important to him that he [Levine] had been offered the job of making the music for The Dark Dimension (a Doctor Who direct to video production that never saw the light of day). Details here:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Dimension.

Ian Levine and Restoration Team member Richard Bignell gave conflicting versions of what the producers had told them:

Ian Levine wrote:
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I shall call him tomorrow.


Richard Bignell wrote:
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Please do. You offered your services, but they really weren't interested, despite what they might have said to your face. Simples.


Ian Levine wrote:
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I'm so so sick of your holier than thou attitude.


Richard Bignell wrote:
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Holier than thou? What are you talking about?

I'm just telling you what several people have said to me who were very actively involved with the project, and the truth was they really didn't want you anywhere near it and were evidently telling you what you wanted to hear in the hope that you'd just leave them alone.


On a separate note, Levine threw a hissy fit about animations and let slip that supposedly, he could have animated Power of the Daleks for £40,000 but couldn't endure not being in charge and answering to people who, in his opinion, did not know as much about Doctor Who as he does.

KissTheZygon wrote:
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So ... because you couldn't bear not being in charge, an animated Power of the Daleks didn't happen?


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No - because I couldn't bear being dictated to by someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow as far as classic Troughton stories go.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent quote from Lord Davros Levine over at Gormless Bastards regarding 'The Mind of Evil' not being released in colour

Ian Levine wrote:
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Originally Posted by BwanaBob
But heaven forbid this particular release doesn't make the same (or more) profit than the others. So charge more if need be. End of story.

This is what I keep saying.

WHY OH WHY WILL NO-ONE LISTEN TO ME.

I tried and tried to warn everyone about Silver Nemesis. No-one listened and then when it finally got released there was an uproar.


I am doing the right thing here. Honest I am.
I am only trying to stop 2/E, Dan Hall, and the RT from making the single biggest mistake of their lives.


Change the record FFS.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's with thay guy?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over at the Going Bonkers site. Ian Levine is claiming that the 'Questions for the Restoration Team' thread is still pertinent as he still posts there. The reason for this? Ian Levine was part of the original Restoration Team that restored 'The Daemons' in the 1990's.

Ian Leviathan wrote:
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The original Restoration Team was Steve Roberts, James Russell, Ralph Montagu, and me.

Therefore, despite your bleating, my posting in this thread still lends it verisimilitude.

Ian Levine, one of the former founders of the RT.


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ver·i·si·mil·i·tude
[ver-uh-si-mil-i-tood, -tyood]
–noun
1. the appearance or semblance of truth; likelihood; probability: The play lacked verisimilitude.
2. something, as an assertion, having merely the appearance of truth.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Podcast Radio Free Skaro has interviewed Dan Hall, and let GB know about it.

http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76057

Ian Levine wrote:
I found his utter blinkered bigoted dismissal of recons to be the most depressing thing I have heard all year.


KissTheZygon wrote:
Is it too much to ask that you save a term as strong as "bigoted" for something that's actually important?


MLP* wrote:
Honestly, these recons come over here, steal our jobs, shag our women.

I don't care what these recons get up to but I wouldn't want my daughter marrying one.

etc


The Mister wrote:
OK, so what exactly did Mr. Hall say about recons? Was iit as bad as Ian thinks it is, or just a restatement that he thinks animation is better and that no official DVD recon would be released as long as animation (superior in his mind) is a possibility?


Ian Levine wrote:
I heard it with my own ears, and the disdain was ultra clear.


Fatso the wombat wrote:
Indeed; his obvious dislike for recons was plain to hear. Whilst I concur that clearly not every individual is going to like the style of the recons (just as not everybody liked the Invasion animation), it is clearly a viable manner to fill the gaps in stories such as the Tenth Planet*.

I have no desire to demonise Mr Hall (never met the chap) as clearly he is doing a job which comes under a lot of public scrutiny by the fans, and to suggest he has a reverse Midas touch is clearly off the mark. However, on the issue of recons, he is plainly wrong. Yes, go for animations wherever possible, even holding them back to the end of the range, just in case... but if it comes to the end, and there's not the possibility of an animated Tenth Planet 4, then a recon has to be the best option available. The suggestion hinted at in the podcast of licesnsing the BBC Audiobooks (oops! Audio Go) version of episode 4 and sticking that on is really not good enough. Would the average punter not feel a but put out that the last episode was just represented by its sound and a the narration? I know I would be.

It's a shame, as mentioned above, that the issue of recons on iTunes wasn't mentioned in the interview, but I reckon it would have been dismissed in the same manner as the "filling the gaps" recons.

* - Exhibit A; the VHS release, which included a full telesnap recon of Episode 4.


Ian Levine wrote:
Dan Hall believes quite clearly and demonstrably that the only way fans should be allowed to enjoy the 106 missing episodes (it's 108 but of course two have been animated) is to listen to the narrated audios.

He offers us fans no other option.

Well I'm sorry, but I say BULL¤¤¤¤¤ to that.

I can watch the entire history of Doctor Who in complete order thanks to these wonderful and lovingly created recons.

His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS.
The more I think about it, the more it winds me up.


In response to the "watch the entire history of" comment

KissTheZygon wrote:
No, you can't, no matter how thoroughly you've convinced yourself that those things are the actual episodes.


I'm not as good at this as Ford and there are some things that I missed so as not to confuse the flow, but it's brewing nicely in there.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save the thread to your hard drive (page by page) and then post the good stuff later at your leisure.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimmy Nimbus wrote:
Podcast Radio Free Skaro has interviewed Dan Hall, and let GB know about it.

http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76057

Ian Levine wrote:
I found his utter blinkered bigoted dismissal of recons to be the most depressing thing I have heard all year.


KissTheZygon wrote:
Is it too much to ask that you save a term as strong as "bigoted" for something that's actually important?


MLP* wrote:
Honestly, these recons come over here, steal our jobs, shag our women.

I don't care what these recons get up to but I wouldn't want my daughter marrying one.

etc


The Mister wrote:
OK, so what exactly did Mr. Hall say about recons? Was iit as bad as Ian thinks it is, or just a restatement that he thinks animation is better and that no official DVD recon would be released as long as animation (superior in his mind) is a possibility?


Ian Levine wrote:
I heard it with my own ears, and the disdain was ultra clear.


Fatso the wombat wrote:
Indeed; his obvious dislike for recons was plain to hear. Whilst I concur that clearly not every individual is going to like the style of the recons (just as not everybody liked the Invasion animation), it is clearly a viable manner to fill the gaps in stories such as the Tenth Planet*.

I have no desire to demonise Mr Hall (never met the chap) as clearly he is doing a job which comes under a lot of public scrutiny by the fans, and to suggest he has a reverse Midas touch is clearly off the mark. However, on the issue of recons, he is plainly wrong. Yes, go for animations wherever possible, even holding them back to the end of the range, just in case... but if it comes to the end, and there's not the possibility of an animated Tenth Planet 4, then a recon has to be the best option available. The suggestion hinted at in the podcast of licesnsing the BBC Audiobooks (oops! Audio Go) version of episode 4 and sticking that on is really not good enough. Would the average punter not feel a but put out that the last episode was just represented by its sound and a the narration? I know I would be.

It's a shame, as mentioned above, that the issue of recons on iTunes wasn't mentioned in the interview, but I reckon it would have been dismissed in the same manner as the "filling the gaps" recons.

* - Exhibit A; the VHS release, which included a full telesnap recon of Episode 4.


Ian Levine wrote:
Dan Hall believes quite clearly and demonstrably that the only way fans should be allowed to enjoy the 106 missing episodes (it's 108 but of course two have been animated) is to listen to the narrated audios.

He offers us fans no other option.

Well I'm sorry, but I say BULL¤¤¤¤¤ to that.

I can watch the entire history of Doctor Who in complete order thanks to these wonderful and lovingly created recons.

His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS.
The more I think about it, the more it winds me up.


In response to the "watch the entire history of" comment

KissTheZygon wrote:
No, you can't, no matter how thoroughly you've convinced yourself that those things are the actual episodes.


I'm not as good at this as Ford and there are some things that I missed so as not to confuse the flow, but it's brewing nicely in there.


Podcast can be found here.
http://www.radiofreeskaro.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tubster> "His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS. "

Monstrous!!!! What a loon. I can think of a few things that actualy are monstrous, however this is not one of them. Laughing
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Tubster> "His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS. "

Monstrous!!!! What a loon. I can think of a few things that actualy are monstrous, however this is not one of them. Laughing


Yes, Ian is certainly a bit deranged, but in some ways fortunate. If he had been living in Victorian times, no doubt he would have been locked in a cage, to be exhibited to the masses. His keeper might have poked him with sticks to enrage him and provide amusement for all and sundry.
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FordTimelord wrote:
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Tubster> "His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS. "

Monstrous!!!! What a loon. I can think of a few things that actualy are monstrous, however this is not one of them. Laughing


Yes, Ian is certainly a bit deranged, but in some ways fortunate. If he had been living in Victorian times, no doubt he would have been locked in a cage, to be exhibited to the masses. His keeper might have poked him with sticks to enrage him and provide amusement for all and sundry.


Quite so. His view of reality seems somewhat askew from most people I consider sane. I wonder what it would be like being trapped in a lift with him? Probably PHUCKING MONSTROUS. SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK SEEMS TO BE BROKEN AGAIN.
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qwerty123 wrote:
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Tubster> "His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS. "

Monstrous!!!! What a loon. I can think of a few things that actualy are monstrous, however this is not one of them. Laughing


Yes, Ian is certainly a bit deranged, but in some ways fortunate. If he had been living in Victorian times, no doubt he would have been locked in a cage, to be exhibited to the masses. His keeper might have poked him with sticks to enrage him and provide amusement for all and sundry.


Quite so. His view of reality seems somewhat askew from most people I consider sane. I wonder what it would be like being trapped in a lift with him? Probably PHUCKING MONSTROUS. SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK SEEMS TO BE BROKEN AGAIN.


He would no doubt tell you about how he saved Doctor Who and Northern Soul and Motown. If you were luicky he might ask you to audition for his UNJU4/5TICE Project. If you were unlucky, he would have just eaten an enormous curry.
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FordTimelord wrote:
qwerty123 wrote:
FordTimelord wrote:
qwerty123 wrote:
Tubster> "His depriving us of them, even on iTunes, is simply MONSTROUS. "

Monstrous!!!! What a loon. I can think of a few things that actualy are monstrous, however this is not one of them. Laughing


Yes, Ian is certainly a bit deranged, but in some ways fortunate. If he had been living in Victorian times, no doubt he would have been locked in a cage, to be exhibited to the masses. His keeper might have poked him with sticks to enrage him and provide amusement for all and sundry.


Quite so. His view of reality seems somewhat askew from most people I consider sane. I wonder what it would be like being trapped in a lift with him? Probably PHUCKING MONSTROUS. SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK SEEMS TO BE BROKEN AGAIN.


He would no doubt tell you about how he saved Doctor Who and Northern Soul and Motown. If you were luicky he might ask you to audition for his UNJU4/5TICE Project. If you were unlucky, he would have just eaten an enormous curry.


Laughing Dude that is a rough thought Laughing How does anyone tolerate the tubster? The mind literaly boggles.
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FordTimelord wrote:
Yes, Ian is certainly a bit deranged, but in some ways fortunate. If he had been living in Victorian times, no doubt he would have been locked in a cage, to be exhibited to the masses. His keeper might have poked him with sticks to enrage him and provide amusement for all and sundry.


I'd pay good money to see that, in Victorian times or nowadays.
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