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How good is US Torchwood going to be?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Torchwood Series 4 Reply with quote

OH FUCK!
Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/07/torchwood-return-fourth-series

Torchwood to return for fourth series
The Doctor Who spin-off show has been given the green light after the BBC secured US funding

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John Barrowman and Eve Myles are to return for a fourth series of the Doctor Who spin-off Torchwood, after the BBC securing funding from the US cable network Starz Entertainment.

Barrowman, as Captain Jack Harkness, and Myles, as Gwen Cooper, will be working along with new cast members on the new 10-part series with a team of writers led by Torchwood's creator, Russell T Davies.

The new series will be a three-way co-production between BBC Wales, which made the previous series, Starz and the corporation's commercial arm, BBC Worldwide, which distributes the show.

Torchwood has previously been shot on location in and around BBC Wales's Cardiff base. The new series will feature location filming in the US and around the world and is being made by BBC Worldwide Productions.

The first series of the sci-fi drama drama was broadcast on BBC3 in late 2006, with the second run shifting to BBC2 when it was transmitted in early 2008. The third series aired on BBC1 in July last year as a five-part mini-series, Children of Earth, stripped across consecutive nights.

Starz is the US broadcaster behind Spartacus: Blood and Sand, the graphic retelling of the Roman slave revolt story that has just started airing in the UK on Bravo.

The new Torchwood series will be executive-produced by Davies and the Los Angeles-based BBC Worldwide Productions executives Jane Tranter and Julie Gardner.

Torchwood was commissioned by BBC1's controller, Jane Tranter; Ben Stephenson, controller of BBC drama; and Chris Albrecht, Starz president and chief executive.

Stephenson said: "We have a long history of working with many US networks but it is incredibly exciting to be working with Starz for the first time, as well as to be reunited with the best of British in Russell, Jane and Julie. Torchwood will burst back onto the screen with a shocking and moving story with global stakes and locations that will make it feel bigger and bolder than ever."


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starz? Not exactly the most distinguished of US networks, is it? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Torchwood Series 4 Reply with quote

FordTimelord wrote:
the best of British in Russell, Jane and Julie


If those cunts are the best of British then we really are fucked.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julie Gardner's on board. Expect lots of crying towel. Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear God.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually think Jane Tranter is worse than any of them. An utter blot on the once world-beating BBC drama department.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We finally, really did it...you maniacs!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Children of Earth was pretty good. Hopefully they'll have learned from that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heavy sigh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't care less, won't be watching it anyhow Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torchwood Casting Paedo Controversy!!! Shocked Confused Shocked

Part-time "Kate Orman is a Racist" accuser LizBee reports on a blog:
http://lizbee.dreamwidth.org/1082285.html

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got home from work, and somehow it was like INSTA!BAD MOOD! Usually it's the other way around. But I sat down, and suddenly today's stomach cramps turned into hiccups, and then there was the casting call for the new Torchwood characters, and that was like RTD had sat down to create the maximum amount of fail possible. So no good mood for Liz! Maybe I'll feel better after I've had a shower and a glass of wine*.

In the meantime, let's all admire RTD's casting call. The new characters on Torchwood are:

- asshole white guy
- woman of colour who unrequitedly loves asshole white guy
- Roman Polanski




Lots of upset comments followed.

Debate also followed on GoonBase...
http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62760

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tamibrown wrote:
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Rex = Owen 2.0
Esther = Tosh 2.0

And just EWW on Oswald Jones. They need to give him a different last name or some fans will consider that a dig at them or something.

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...I love the fact that I've already seen people claiming that RTD is trying to paint a pedophile as heroic, or put him on the Torchwood team... when the reproduced document clearly describes the character as a self-promoting sociopath whose apparent repentance is a sham. And indeed doesn't put him on the good guys' side at all. Yes, he's a major continuing role for the series... so were Mr. Frobisher, and Johnson, and Alice, and PM Brian Green...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Matthew McIntyre wrote:
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I'm in favour of anything that winds up the "bring back Ianto" crowd, even unintentionally.


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In fact Oswald Jones sounds like a compendum drawn from quite a few fans round here...

You're right though the other two do sound a bit like US versions of Owen and Tosh. Had hoped for somebody completely different (like, perhaps, a Lady-Gaga-on-speed type)


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Am I the only one who (if it's even genuine, which is looking questionable) thinks this Oswald Jones is just an attempt by RTD to cash in on the popularity of "Dexter"?


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Why are all the people in the comments so upset?


Matthew McIntyre wrote:
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The bad man killed their imaginary gay boyfriend.


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..that's exactly why I'm confused. Ever since Ianto died, RTD is...

* racist
* trying to make out paedophilles should be pitied
* generally just an awful person


So why haven't these people just cut themselves off from Torchwood full stop instead of getting upset.


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Why are all the people in the comments so upset?

Because they were under the impression that they were watching something called the "Ianto Jones Show".

Oh, and they're nutters.


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So why haven't these people just cut themselves off from Torchwood full stop instead of getting upset.

They like being upset and they're clinging to the fantasy that if they send the same email over and over again to the BBC and post some coffee the world will come around to their point of view and either sack that dreadful man or force him to do their bidding (although he still needs to be punished for daring to take the piss out of them).

Therefore anything (true or false) reported about Torchwood has to be spun in the worst possible light to prove what a continuing outrage the show without Ianto is and how they're absolutely right about what makes a successful show if only those people who do it for a living could be made to see it.


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Yoot de do


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Yoot de do

Which was enough to make we realise where I'd read that kind of nonsense before.

And I'll leave at that before we descend into stupid arguments.


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Which was enough to make we realise where I'd read that kind of nonsense before.

Erm... Let's just say that, given the race-related things lizbee's accused Kate of in the past, lumping the two of them together is rather amusing. Smile

FTR, I think the idea that the message communicated by Mickey/Martha/Tosh is "minority characters are less worthy lovers than white ones", as opposed to "Rose/the Doctor/Owen is too clueless to realize what they're missing out on", is a pretty determined sort of stretch...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


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Erm... Let's just say that, given the race-related things lizbee's accused Kate of in the past, lumping the two of them together is rather amusing. Smile

Yes. It was Kate posting something (which she later decided wasn't worth bothering with) that reminded me of where I recognised the name lizbee from. That was all the context I needed for the comments in reply to her post.

Just to be clear: I wasn't lumping Kate in with any nonsense. I was trying to keep it brief as I didn't want to get distracted into talking about strange arguments elsewhere on the web.

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FTR, I think the idea that the message communicated by Mickey/Martha/Tosh is "minority characters are less worthy lovers than white ones", as opposed to "Rose/the Doctor/Owen is too clueless to realize what they're missing out on", is a pretty determined sort of stretch...

I think there's a lot of arguing from a conclusion back to a premise going on (which is why I mistook them for "bring back Ianto" types). And, as with most people who argue backwards like that, trying to discuss things with them is pretty pointless. There are whole areas of LiveJournal and its ilk that I'm happy to leave to their own devices.

It was just this post that kicked the whole thing off:

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Why are all the people in the comments so upset?

I, incorrectly, assumed it had to do with Ianto. It's probably fair to say that the commentators have come to the conclusion that RTD has issues with race and gender (and, possibly, with pushing taboos) and they see this casting call as exacerbating these issues.

I disagree with their conclusion and I think it's impossible to tell from that casting call (if it's genuine) how things will play out in the next series.


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FTR, I think the idea that the message communicated by Mickey/Martha/Tosh is "minority characters are less worthy lovers than white ones", as opposed to "Rose/the Doctor/Owen is too clueless to realize what they're missing out on", is a pretty determined sort of stretch...

I just think the whole thing is more complicated than most fannish discussion allows for. Let me take Tosh as an example.

Now, there is a tendency in Hollywood to exclude Black women from the "hero's girlfriend" role in movies, with the implication that Black women are less desirable partners than white or Latina women. So you can see why some viewers would be unhappy with Martha's unrequited love story, or the possibility of a similar device in TW S4: it falls into this pattern.

But to what extent can we apply that pattern to a Japanese-British woman? Is there a danger here of crudely equating all women of colour? And how do other details of Tosh's portrayal affect how we judge this? For example, the episode where the tables are turned and nerdy Owen has an unrequited crush on ubersexy Tosh; and her numerous sexual encounters (she has more sex, with more people, than Jack!). Don't these play against the implication that Tosh is less attractive or desirable than, say, Gwen?

So IMHO we can't just dismiss the criticisms as "nonsense" - but the same time, too often fans make simplistic generalisations. (That makes me the piggy in the middle!) Basically, I think a discussion this sensitive and difficult needs a lot more rigour. Although, this being the Internet, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it!
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Just to be clear: I wasn't lumping Kate in with any nonsense. I was trying to keep it brief as I didn't want to get distracted into talking about strange arguments elsewhere on the web.

Oh - sorry, Matthew! In these discussions I often find myself sandwiched between outraged fangirls on one side and defensive fanboys on the other.

fwiw the posting I zapped was about (of all things) Ancient Egyptian mythology, a subject on which I am afraid I am becoming a bit of a bore.



Digital Spy has also reported the "news".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s8/torchwood/news/a244325/new-torchwood-characters-revealed.html

Rusty's really scraping the barrel if this is true.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the end of the Paedo character bio reads:
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But this man is destined to become more important than even he could have foreseen, as terrifying events of worldwide significance begin to turn around him..
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And so he weaveth steadily,
His players reading shittily,
With bugger all ability:
The hack, Sir Russellot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Blum wrote:
...I love the fact that I've already seen people claiming that RTD is trying to paint a pedophile as heroic, or put him on the Torchwood team... when the reproduced document clearly describes the character as a self-promoting sociopath whose apparent repentance is a sham.


So Blum's developed the ability to spot self-promoting sociopaths?

Doesn't bode well for Fathead.

And, for that matter, let's hope Kate's hidden any mirrors that were in their house.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurray for the heroic CIA agents. So much for 'weapons of massive destruction', eh Russell, you cunty great cunt!
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